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It is always interesting how one side always stresses the "Air Defence Identification Zone" and the other side always stresses "Territorial Boundaries".
The only difference is which side is stressing which at any given time.
Putting it more bluntly, the Russians feel that they have absolutely no legal requirement to comply with an American declared ADIZ and the US feels that it has absolutely no legal requirement to comply with a Russian declared ADIZ - BUT, each feels free to accuse the other of "belligerent acts" when the other violates the self-declared ADIZ.
The only difference is which side is stressing which at any given time.
Putting it more bluntly, the Russians feel that they have absolutely no legal requirement to comply with an American declared ADIZ and the US feels that it has absolutely no legal requirement to comply with a Russian declared ADIZ - BUT, each feels free to accuse the other of "belligerent acts" when the other violates the self-declared ADIZ.
Russian Jet Threatened U.S. Recon Aircraft
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We should say happy Birthday! or капитан доброго утра! пожалуйста останьтесь по крайней мере 50 метров от моего самолета! (good morning captain! please stay at least 50 meters from my plane!)
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Pueblo, Hainan incident, the capture of our crew and boats in Iran, would tend to indicate that we will do nothing to seriously upset the proverbial apple cart.
" OR I WILL brake your feet and stick them on your head and smash YOUR ... Putin continue talking about Russia's nuclear weapons and hinting to .... bayonets; if you encounter mush, proceed; if you encounter steel, withdraw,” the aide said."
" OR I WILL brake your feet and stick them on your head and smash YOUR ... Putin continue talking about Russia's nuclear weapons and hinting to .... bayonets; if you encounter mush, proceed; if you encounter steel, withdraw,” the aide said."
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COL Ted Mc
MCPO Roger Collins - Master Chief;
[1] "Pueblo" - There was a difference in what the definition of "territorial waters" was and once the ship was seized there really wasn't anything much that the US government could do about it other than either negotiate the return of the ship and crew or start a war.
[2] "Hainan" - The odds that the PLAN(AF) pilot deliberately crashed into the USN aircraft are incredibly low. Once the mid-air collision had taken place, there really wasn't much that the US government could do about the fact that the USN aircraft had actually landed inside PRC territory.
[3] "Iran" there isn't much doubt that the boats were ACTUALLY inside Iranian territorial waters and that means that the Iranians had every legal right to intercept and detain.
[1] "Pueblo" - There was a difference in what the definition of "territorial waters" was and once the ship was seized there really wasn't anything much that the US government could do about it other than either negotiate the return of the ship and crew or start a war.
[2] "Hainan" - The odds that the PLAN(AF) pilot deliberately crashed into the USN aircraft are incredibly low. Once the mid-air collision had taken place, there really wasn't much that the US government could do about the fact that the USN aircraft had actually landed inside PRC territory.
[3] "Iran" there isn't much doubt that the boats were ACTUALLY inside Iranian territorial waters and that means that the Iranians had every legal right to intercept and detain.
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NATO- Russia Tension: Canadian navy ship buzzed by Russian jets
Canada says Russian military aircraft made a provocative maneuver over one of its warships during NATO drills in the Black Sea. A Canadian defence spokesman ...
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COL Ted Mc
MCPO Roger Collins - Master Chief; Not getting upset over something that isn't upsetting (and which you do yourself) is hardly "doing nothing".
LTC (Join to see) - Major; Maybe I'm just getting old and senile, but I find it difficult to see how using the military force that is conducting an exercise based on attacking your country as a training aid for an exercise based on defending your country from an attack is "provocative" (in anything other than the diplomatic sense [where "provocative" means "something that we can complain about even if there is actually nothing to complain about in the faint hope that the other side is going to be so stupid that they don't realize that there isn't anything to complain about and {as a result of their own stupidity} give us something that we couldn't otherwise get]).
LTC (Join to see) - Major; Maybe I'm just getting old and senile, but I find it difficult to see how using the military force that is conducting an exercise based on attacking your country as a training aid for an exercise based on defending your country from an attack is "provocative" (in anything other than the diplomatic sense [where "provocative" means "something that we can complain about even if there is actually nothing to complain about in the faint hope that the other side is going to be so stupid that they don't realize that there isn't anything to complain about and {as a result of their own stupidity} give us something that we couldn't otherwise get]).
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Then they should start, we don't need to get into a war over stupidity.
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COL Ted Mc
SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth - Sergeant; Are you seriously proposing taking away the right of testosterone fuelled jet jockeys to play silly-bugger in the skies?
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SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth
COL Ted Mc - No, we need to be more cautious in our deplomacy of the skies.
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LTC (Join to see)
Putin is like Donald Trump, he gets media attention and more people support him when his oil empire is collapsing and so he does these stunts for the evening news!
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COL Ted Mc
LTC (Join to see) - Major; In "personality type", I'll agree that Mr. Putin is quite similar to Mr. Trump.
However, Mr. Trump grew up in a school where, if you fail, you declare bankruptcy (which at the top end of the economic spectrum generally means that you get to keep all of your money but don't have to pay your debts) and start all over. Mr. Putin, on the other hand, grew up in a school where, if you fail, you tend to end up dead (if you are playing with the big boys at any rate).
While both Mr. Trump and Mr. Putin have "goals", the odds are that Mr. Putin has a much sounder and comprehensive "plan" to achieve those goals than Mr. Trump does.
However, Mr. Trump grew up in a school where, if you fail, you declare bankruptcy (which at the top end of the economic spectrum generally means that you get to keep all of your money but don't have to pay your debts) and start all over. Mr. Putin, on the other hand, grew up in a school where, if you fail, you tend to end up dead (if you are playing with the big boys at any rate).
While both Mr. Trump and Mr. Putin have "goals", the odds are that Mr. Putin has a much sounder and comprehensive "plan" to achieve those goals than Mr. Trump does.
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