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SGM Operations Sergeant Major
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I do not doubt the standards will be upheld. However, so many people act like the standards to become an infantryman are hard. They are not. OSUT is not difficult at all, in fact I am sure there are more females that would pass it than not. That being said, it is not OSUT that makes being an infantryman hard. It is everything that comes after it. Only time will tell, I wish you the best of luck young lady!
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SGT Jim Filey
SGT Jim Filey
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People, keep your eyes on mission. Will standards be changed for female 11B?
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SGM Operations Sergeant Major
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SGT (Join to see) - This is the problem within our ranks. As a Sergeant you should hold yourself to a higher standard. This kind of remark is unacceptable and embarrasses the NCO Corps and sets a poor example for your/our subordinates.
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The problem with the ranks, is that we allow congress to play social experiment with the Army. Dont act like you haven't seen this happen on deployment with mixed units... It happens all the time.
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SPC(P) Brian Brown
SPC(P) Brian Brown
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Actually I think the real question of gender biasing will come in to play. As a sergeant you know your PT score comes in to play with advancement. I can take a male soldier, 22 who does 40 push ups, 50 sit ups and runs the 2 miles in 16:30 minutes. He scores a 181. The same data for a female soldier nets her a 245. Actually the female soldier can get a 300 on her test while the male is still barely passing. When it comes to unit functionality, you can't have your unit do a timed movement and the female with the automatic weapon show up 20 minutes later. Where I am not against women in combat roles, I am more for equal standards for MOS, regardless of gender.
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SGT(P) Satellite Communication Systems Operator Maintainer (25 S)
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There are a lot of disconcerting comments in this thread. So long as standards are upheld (not lowered), I don't see this as being an issue. It's concerning to me that so many male soldiers here are saying that they would not want to be shown up by a woman.

You shouldn't want to be shown up by ANYONE, regardless of their gender. The fact that she is a woman - that I am a woman - is not shameful.

I doubt any of you would tell your mothers, wives, girlfriends, sisters, or daughters that what they are is shameful, so don't do it here.
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SGT(P) Satellite Communication Systems Operator Maintainer (25 S)
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SSG (Join to see) - I did not mean to avoid the subject, so I apologize for that. What I was trying to emphasize is that other infantry soldiers should not need to worry about having to pick up the slack if the female soldier is actually qualified and can do her job effectively. If your peers have to do your job for you, you are not qualified for your position.
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SGT(P) Satellite Communication Systems Operator Maintainer (25 S)
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MSG Joseph Cristofaro - I certainly see your point. I can't say that I understand first hand because I do not do the job myself. I know that in most cases, males and females cannot compare physically, but there are those that can. I think that's the most important part of the issue here, to be honest. Regardless of gender, don't you think infantry soldiers should be held to the exact same standard? I do, and I think that's going to be a big issue that the Army will have to address. The standards that are currently in place for females do not reflect appropriate physical requirements for infantry positions.
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SSG Squad Leader
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I'm not worried about it, if these females can hack it then they can stay in, if they can't then they'll get chaptered like any other soldier-failure to adapt. I'm not gonna treat them any different, I may have to watch my mouth, but the treatment will be exactly the same.
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SSgt Stephen Mills
SSgt Stephen Mills
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SGT(P) (Join to see) - Really, you can't handle language that's a little ruff.
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Standards are never the same. Let's be real (the Standards aren't even same among men). The fact is, if a detail requires heavy labor...she will be the last to be tasked for it. Will she get preferential treatment...we all know she will. She's getting special treatment now. Where was my press photo for "40 year old joins the army!". I didn't have a single reporter when I enlisted. If you want it to be equal..why was the press allowed in to take a picture. When my wife wasn't even allowed into the room when I put my hand up.
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SFC Chris Cook
SFC Chris Cook
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Ive always said.. there is no such thing as true equality. lol
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CPL Bryan Claeys
CPL Bryan Claeys
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True equality? How about selective service for women... Or how about we start with the basics: child rearing. Men don't have the same rights as women do when it comes to a custody battle. The man could have a house, income, educated, law abiding citizen etc the woman could be illiterate, living with her mother without a job, have a criminal record and she'll be awarded custody damn near automatically. There will never be true gender equality. One will always get preferential treatment over the other depending on certain situations.
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SGT(P) Satellite Communication Systems Operator Maintainer (25 S)
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True equality doesn't always work in our favor, and I think a lot of women don't realize that... I agree with you to a point, actually. While I hope that the standards are not lowered and she does not receive preferential treatment, she very well still may. This is a new change and we probably won't see it work effectively for a long time. It's up to Army leadership to uphold the standard and train soldiers properly in this area.

I don't believe in rallying for equal treatment in only certain situations. If you want equal treatment, equal pay, and have the same opportunities offered, you need to perform equally. You don't get to pick and choose when / where to be equal if you want true equality. That being said, it is also up to our peers to treat (and train) all soldiers equally.
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