Posted on Jan 5, 2016
Including Women Is Not The Right Next Step For Selective Service
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The side of me that wants to see "equality for all" says that yes, women should also register for the Selective Service. It is absolutely unfair that a military aged male is excluded from applying for federal jobs if not registered... but a woman is not.
The logical side of me, however, strongly believes that Selective Service should be done away with entirely. I can honestly say that I would never want to serve alongside someone who was forced to be there and couldn't care less about the lives of the men/women to their left and right. Additionally, it would pain me to see the amount of resources/funding wasted on training a population of individuals who (largely) take issue with many of the ideals that the Army stands for and don't appreciate the sacrifices that men and women before them have made. The liability and internal turmoil that this would cause is simply not worth it, in my opinion.
The logical side of me, however, strongly believes that Selective Service should be done away with entirely. I can honestly say that I would never want to serve alongside someone who was forced to be there and couldn't care less about the lives of the men/women to their left and right. Additionally, it would pain me to see the amount of resources/funding wasted on training a population of individuals who (largely) take issue with many of the ideals that the Army stands for and don't appreciate the sacrifices that men and women before them have made. The liability and internal turmoil that this would cause is simply not worth it, in my opinion.
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SFC Robert Escher
PFC Lisa McDonald - how does it LET you the voter say you want or don’t want to go to war? That is not true in shape or form
You may elect all the people you want to say no to going to war but that doesn’t it won’t happen
You may elect all the people you want to say no to going to war but that doesn’t it won’t happen
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PO2 Dan Shulla
Having had to register for the draft way back when ( I cheated and enlisted to have my choice), the only draft that would be acceptable to me is a random selection, so there isn't a vast majority of poor and minorities, as there was during Viet Nam. NO college student waiver or any other waiver (other than a 4F or the sole surviving child). EVEYBODY PLAYS! rich and poor alike. Empty the prisons of all non violent felons (other than drug dealers or those convicted of manufacturing drugs) with the stipulation they must serve on Active duty, the same number of years left on their sentence. Open this to discussion?
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SP5 Peter Keane
PO2 Dan Shulla - Your statement about a vast majority of poor and minorities doesn't hold water. Check the facts of who was serving in Viet Nam.
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I have two daughters so that would be hard for me...But both have degrees so they would be officers but I have to say to all the women that keep screaming to do a whatever a man does....well that screaming has consequences and that consequence is Selective Service. Cant have it both ways. You want to do whatever the man does, well that includes selective service
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PO2 Mark Saffell
This is true. But the youngest one has already been offered a commission. She is a biology major and pre-dental
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SCPO Jason McLaughlin
Sgt Jonathan Joye - Warrant Officers in the Army do not require a degree to be commissioned. Nor do Limited Duty Officers or Chief Warrant Officers in the Navy. The Marine Corps can commission an enlisted man for exceptional merit without a degree. Just thought you might like to know.
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SCPO Jason McLaughlin
Sgt Jonathan Joye - It's all good. Warrant Officers in all services have been commissioned since 1986 (Defense Authorization Act). The following is the list of requirements for Warrant Officer from the goarmy.com webpage (I draw your attention to the first bullet):
Requirements
Do you have what it takes to become a Warrant Officer? Applicants for the Warrant Officer Candidate School and Warrant Officer Flight Training program must:
•Have a high school diploma.
•Be at least 18 years old at the time of enlistment and not have passed their 33rd birthday at the time of selection (for aviators) or their 46th birthday for all other specialties. Age waivers are considered on a case-by-case basis.
•Be a citizen of the United States.
•For WOFT Candidates only: Achieve a qualifying score on the Selection Instrument for Flight Training (SIFT). SIFT test results are valid indefinitely, as long as verifiable official records exist. No waivers are available for failure to meet the minimum SIFT score.
•Earn a General Technical score of 110 or higher on the Armed Forces Vocational Aptitude Battery (ASVAB).
•Have at least 12 months remaining on their enlistment contract.
•Meet the Army's screening height and weight standards and pass the standard three-event Army Physical Fitness Test (APFT) not more than six months before their application packet is boarded.
•Take a physical exam and meet entry medical fitness standards as determined by military medical authorities no more than 24 months prior to the date of application. Aviation applicants must also undergo a Class 1A Flight Physical Examination and have results approved by Flight Surgeons at Fort Rucker, Alabama, prior to the selection board. The Flight Physical must be less than 18 months old.
Additional Requirements For Technical Specialties
•Must complete MOS training
•Must complete appropriate Noncommissioned Officer Education System (NCOES) Leadership Courses
•Must have documented proficiency in specialty area
•Must meet prerequisite standards for specialty area
Requirements
Do you have what it takes to become a Warrant Officer? Applicants for the Warrant Officer Candidate School and Warrant Officer Flight Training program must:
•Have a high school diploma.
•Be at least 18 years old at the time of enlistment and not have passed their 33rd birthday at the time of selection (for aviators) or their 46th birthday for all other specialties. Age waivers are considered on a case-by-case basis.
•Be a citizen of the United States.
•For WOFT Candidates only: Achieve a qualifying score on the Selection Instrument for Flight Training (SIFT). SIFT test results are valid indefinitely, as long as verifiable official records exist. No waivers are available for failure to meet the minimum SIFT score.
•Earn a General Technical score of 110 or higher on the Armed Forces Vocational Aptitude Battery (ASVAB).
•Have at least 12 months remaining on their enlistment contract.
•Meet the Army's screening height and weight standards and pass the standard three-event Army Physical Fitness Test (APFT) not more than six months before their application packet is boarded.
•Take a physical exam and meet entry medical fitness standards as determined by military medical authorities no more than 24 months prior to the date of application. Aviation applicants must also undergo a Class 1A Flight Physical Examination and have results approved by Flight Surgeons at Fort Rucker, Alabama, prior to the selection board. The Flight Physical must be less than 18 months old.
Additional Requirements For Technical Specialties
•Must complete MOS training
•Must complete appropriate Noncommissioned Officer Education System (NCOES) Leadership Courses
•Must have documented proficiency in specialty area
•Must meet prerequisite standards for specialty area
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I also have 2 daughters. This would be hard for me even though my wife is a soldier.
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I think not only should women have to register with the Selective Service System, they should also get equal wages to their male counterparts. At least we do that in the military, but this is sorely lacking in the civilian workforce.
People should bear in mind - equal rights means you take the good AND the bad. You get the parade, but you also get to be on the cleanup detail too. If you're going to dance to the music you have to pay the band. If we make concessions for one, we make them for all or not at all. Inclusion at the bank also means inclusion in the workforce.
People should bear in mind - equal rights means you take the good AND the bad. You get the parade, but you also get to be on the cleanup detail too. If you're going to dance to the music you have to pay the band. If we make concessions for one, we make them for all or not at all. Inclusion at the bank also means inclusion in the workforce.
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SFC Robert Escher
Sgt Mark Ramos - there are many reasons why women haven’t been in the selective service. To start with many women have joined voluntarily over the last 90 years they needed women and women joined lots
The other reason was combat and the combat environment which Congress said no to for many years
The other reason was combat and the combat environment which Congress said no to for many years
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Sgt Mark Ramos
SFC Robert Escher - You wrote that many women have joined voluntarily and therefore shouldn't have to register. How is that a valid reason? By that logic, men should not have to register as well.
You wrote that the other reason was the combat prohibition for women. That's actually one of the reasons why they should now register. As society pushes for men and women to be treated the same in all things, it's only fair and logical that they should be treated the same for selective service as well. Why should young women not have the same obligations and responsibilities of our young men if everything else is the same?
You wrote that the other reason was the combat prohibition for women. That's actually one of the reasons why they should now register. As society pushes for men and women to be treated the same in all things, it's only fair and logical that they should be treated the same for selective service as well. Why should young women not have the same obligations and responsibilities of our young men if everything else is the same?
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SFC Robert Escher
I didn’t say they didn’t have.but many did you need to think of the mindset 70 80 years ago. Women fighting in combat was unheard of and many people could not think of it due to many reasons. Many many women did volunteer and it was for a few years away from combat or in the US.
ARE YOU COMFORTABLE. With a women sitting next to you in a “foxhole”?
Politicians Families could not think just that as been mentioned here “ I cannot think of my daughters being in Combat”
So they weren’t involved in the SS system. What I did say that there were more than enough women that DID join that performed many jobs that released men to go into combat.
Do I support women in the SS system I think so
ARE YOU COMFORTABLE. With a women sitting next to you in a “foxhole”?
Politicians Families could not think just that as been mentioned here “ I cannot think of my daughters being in Combat”
So they weren’t involved in the SS system. What I did say that there were more than enough women that DID join that performed many jobs that released men to go into combat.
Do I support women in the SS system I think so
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SPC Juanita Anderson
SFC Robert Escher - ok guys every time some is brough up there the foxhole thing. If your are in a combat zone and their someone else is in the fox hole are you going to worry about the person or the bullets flying over your heads. By the time the person male or female make it thru basic and the combat training they should be qualified to be in the fox hole too.
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