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Posted on Jun 22, 2024
FG art. 15. Getting busted down to a e5. I have 12.5 years in. RCP is 13 yrs. Going through a medboard and involuntary sep?
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“How’s it going to look” is anyone’s guess because you didn’t give much information at all in your write-up.
You’re being reduced to E-5 from the Article 15. Is the involuntary separation you mentioned due to RCP or is there some other administrative discharge being discussed or pending?
“Medboard” – Do you mean you are going through a MEB currently or do you mean you might be referred to one because of your medical situation (e.g., you have an illness/injury that doesn’t allow you to meet medical retention standards, you’re approaching the MRDP for an injury, You've been given a P3/P4 profile, etc.)?
By "How's this going to look?", what are you referring to - the process if both happen at the same time? Likelihood of one happening over the other? Timelines involved? etc.
You’re being reduced to E-5 from the Article 15. Is the involuntary separation you mentioned due to RCP or is there some other administrative discharge being discussed or pending?
“Medboard” – Do you mean you are going through a MEB currently or do you mean you might be referred to one because of your medical situation (e.g., you have an illness/injury that doesn’t allow you to meet medical retention standards, you’re approaching the MRDP for an injury, You've been given a P3/P4 profile, etc.)?
By "How's this going to look?", what are you referring to - the process if both happen at the same time? Likelihood of one happening over the other? Timelines involved? etc.
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Sir,
The admin discharge is tied to the article 15 because of misconduct.
Ive been recommended for medboard and start the process in a couple days.
As for the RCP I'm referring to me almost hitting the 13 year point where an e5 is required to make e6.
The admin discharge is tied to the article 15 because of misconduct.
Ive been recommended for medboard and start the process in a couple days.
As for the RCP I'm referring to me almost hitting the 13 year point where an e5 is required to make e6.
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SSG (Join to see)
How's going to look as in. If Ive started the Meb process does the administrative separation hold off until the meb is complete. Timelines also as in how long could each one take. I do know I have to go to a separation board eventually.
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COL Randall C.
SSG (Join to see) - While you are going through the Integrated Disability Evaluation System (IDES), then it will take precedence over any administrative discharge EXCEPT one for misconduct or fraudulent enlistment (AR 635-200*, Para 1-34).
In cases of a misconduct discharge, it will be processed concurrently while you're going through the MEB, however no separation action will be taken until the outcome of the MEB is determined.
If the MEB finds you meet the medical retention standards, then the administrative discharge continues. If the MEB finds that you don't meet medical retention standards, then the MEB proceedings and the misconduct discharge packet go up to the General Court-Martial Convening Authority (GCMCA) (typically the post commander) who will make a decision which route will be taken.
The GOAL for the MEB portion of the IDES is around 100 days from start to finish. I've seen them go faster and I've seen them take much longer in complex cases when the medical evaulation took months to complete.
How long does it take to do a misconduct discharge? Depends on how motivated the leadership is to move the packet along. The approval authority for a Chapter 14 (misconduct) discharge will be your O-6 level command authority, so the packet will have to go through multiple levels. The quickests I know of was about six weeks (I've heard some say as quick as 30 days), but typically it will be around three to four months.
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* AR 635-200 (Active Duty Enlisted Administrative Separations) - https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/ARN40058-AR_635-200-001-WEB-3.pdf
In cases of a misconduct discharge, it will be processed concurrently while you're going through the MEB, however no separation action will be taken until the outcome of the MEB is determined.
If the MEB finds you meet the medical retention standards, then the administrative discharge continues. If the MEB finds that you don't meet medical retention standards, then the MEB proceedings and the misconduct discharge packet go up to the General Court-Martial Convening Authority (GCMCA) (typically the post commander) who will make a decision which route will be taken.
The GOAL for the MEB portion of the IDES is around 100 days from start to finish. I've seen them go faster and I've seen them take much longer in complex cases when the medical evaulation took months to complete.
How long does it take to do a misconduct discharge? Depends on how motivated the leadership is to move the packet along. The approval authority for a Chapter 14 (misconduct) discharge will be your O-6 level command authority, so the packet will have to go through multiple levels. The quickests I know of was about six weeks (I've heard some say as quick as 30 days), but typically it will be around three to four months.
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* AR 635-200 (Active Duty Enlisted Administrative Separations) - https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/ARN40058-AR_635-200-001-WEB-3.pdf
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Going with the only information you gave; this is NOT going to look well.
Whichever comes first, is what will likely happen:
If you have not already began the Medical Eval Board, then chances are you will not have enough time for that (medical condition depending). If you are already going thru an MEB, then it depends on where you are in that process.
You also run the high risk of facing the QMP Board. This will be determined by when the next QMP Board meets. If your reduction was due to DUI (an example) and the QMP meets next month, you will be out of the service 90 days from the meeting of that QMP because the QMP has a ZERO survival rate for DUIs. Referral to the QMP is automatic any time a SSG or above has adverse information (GOMOR, Article 15, Relief for Cause NCOER) placed in their Army Military Human Resource Record (AMHRR).
Either way, I would highly recommend you beef up your civilian resume and start planning your exit from the Military because I do not see you being retained. Stranger things have happened, but the odds are not in your favor.
Whichever comes first, is what will likely happen:
If you have not already began the Medical Eval Board, then chances are you will not have enough time for that (medical condition depending). If you are already going thru an MEB, then it depends on where you are in that process.
You also run the high risk of facing the QMP Board. This will be determined by when the next QMP Board meets. If your reduction was due to DUI (an example) and the QMP meets next month, you will be out of the service 90 days from the meeting of that QMP because the QMP has a ZERO survival rate for DUIs. Referral to the QMP is automatic any time a SSG or above has adverse information (GOMOR, Article 15, Relief for Cause NCOER) placed in their Army Military Human Resource Record (AMHRR).
Either way, I would highly recommend you beef up your civilian resume and start planning your exit from the Military because I do not see you being retained. Stranger things have happened, but the odds are not in your favor.
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