Posted on Apr 4, 2016
Failure: Hillary Clinton and The Benghazi Incident
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I recently read an article on RallyPoint saying that “hell [is] a special place” for former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and her part in the Benghazi disaster. That she lied to the families of the deceased about her role in that awful episode betrays the fact that this individual, citing psychologist Theodore Millon’s brief description of personality disorders, has a Borderline Personality Disorder comorbid with both a Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Antisocial Personal Disorder. That Clinton callously sacrificed the lives of those soldiers for a political agenda, when a mere order to execute a rescue could have changed the scenario and possibly saved lives when hostile forces overran, sacked and murdered people at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, is nothing new to history; it has happened before.
Similar circumstances occurred during the Siege and eventual massacre at the British Residency in Kabul during the Second Anglo-Afghan War in 1879, when the powers that be saw the signs of trouble and yet allowed Sir Louis Cavagnari, Lt. Walter Hamilton, and the rest of the staff to die fighting for their lives against Afghan troops. But let us not hang this on our former Secretary of State alone.
Why didn’t our Commander-in-Chief take a more active role and authorize a rescue attempt? The closet American assets were in Aviano, so why not request British reinforcement? They had even closer assets in Cyprus, such as the RAF and, most likely, their British SAS.
This whole debacle has driven many Monday morning quarterbacks to share their views on what should have or should not have been done. Let me join them: in my opinion, if I had been a senior commander on scene, I would have gladly disobeyed orders to stand down and sacrificed my career in order to to get those people out of the besieged consulate. As part of the Army’s “Warrior Ethos” we are not to leave anybody behind, and yet this is what happened.
We failed Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens, Foreign Service Information Management Officer, Sean Smith and CIA contractors Tyrone S Woods and Glen Doherty.
What we see here in the Benghazi scandal is an example of decaying leadership. Senior officers are not taking responsibility for their actions, NCOs are not behaving like NCOs, and junior-enlisted are emulating the actions of those above them. Everyone is more concerned about the wrongdoing of an individual and not about those who work alongside them. When the truth about Benghazi does come out, how will America react to the findings? Many people will and are saying that the only reason anyone is paying attention to this disaster is because Hillary is a woman.
In my 23 years of service, I have served with women who seized the proverbial moral high ground, and never stood down or relinquished a foot of ground. Besides Hillary, there is the CIA station chief who also refused to allow help to get to the diplomatic compound. He too should be “gifted” with a “special place in hell.” Instead they should both be charged with four counts of negligent homicide. These are not the type of people that we want serving or representing us.
Similar circumstances occurred during the Siege and eventual massacre at the British Residency in Kabul during the Second Anglo-Afghan War in 1879, when the powers that be saw the signs of trouble and yet allowed Sir Louis Cavagnari, Lt. Walter Hamilton, and the rest of the staff to die fighting for their lives against Afghan troops. But let us not hang this on our former Secretary of State alone.
Why didn’t our Commander-in-Chief take a more active role and authorize a rescue attempt? The closet American assets were in Aviano, so why not request British reinforcement? They had even closer assets in Cyprus, such as the RAF and, most likely, their British SAS.
This whole debacle has driven many Monday morning quarterbacks to share their views on what should have or should not have been done. Let me join them: in my opinion, if I had been a senior commander on scene, I would have gladly disobeyed orders to stand down and sacrificed my career in order to to get those people out of the besieged consulate. As part of the Army’s “Warrior Ethos” we are not to leave anybody behind, and yet this is what happened.
We failed Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens, Foreign Service Information Management Officer, Sean Smith and CIA contractors Tyrone S Woods and Glen Doherty.
What we see here in the Benghazi scandal is an example of decaying leadership. Senior officers are not taking responsibility for their actions, NCOs are not behaving like NCOs, and junior-enlisted are emulating the actions of those above them. Everyone is more concerned about the wrongdoing of an individual and not about those who work alongside them. When the truth about Benghazi does come out, how will America react to the findings? Many people will and are saying that the only reason anyone is paying attention to this disaster is because Hillary is a woman.
In my 23 years of service, I have served with women who seized the proverbial moral high ground, and never stood down or relinquished a foot of ground. Besides Hillary, there is the CIA station chief who also refused to allow help to get to the diplomatic compound. He too should be “gifted” with a “special place in hell.” Instead they should both be charged with four counts of negligent homicide. These are not the type of people that we want serving or representing us.
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So are you suggesting that HRC is free from blame? I would disagree with that.
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I'm not sure what disappoints me more, the fact that you repeat and regurgitate so many lies that have been so thoroughly debunked by 8 different investigations, or that RallyPoint allowed you to post it in this forum. There was never a "stand down" order. There was no one standing by to go "rescue" those killed. You disgrace the NCO Corps by grandiosely claiming that you would disobey an order that never existed, by joining the "Monday morning quarterbacks", as you call them. The truth about Benghazi has already been told. Your refusal to believe that does not make it false.
Again, RallyPoint, you should be ashamed of yourselves for allowing this to be posted in the Command Post.
Again, RallyPoint, you should be ashamed of yourselves for allowing this to be posted in the Command Post.
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Maj Rob Drury
SGT Edward Wilcox Really? I'm glad you're so amused by reality. So, you think that because the investigation was conducted by Republicans I'm going to trust it at face value? I'm not the partisan shill you've clearly display yourself to be. I believe none of them more than I do senior officers in theater, some of whom I know personally.
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SGT Edward Wilcox
Maj Rob Drury So now we're expected to believe you know, and communicate frequently, with 'senior officers' in the area? You really are an idiot if you think I would believe that. The closest assets were hours away. Even if they were sitting on the tarmac when the attack began, they would not have been able to get there in time to save any lives. I can't believe you dragged me back into arguing this years after it was settled. I'm done with you. Go away.
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Maj Rob Drury
SGT Edward Wilcox I never said that I conversed with them regarding this. I am aware of their statements and I believe them. Downvoted for condescending and potentially libelous tone. You just accused me of lying. If we were both active duty. I'd ensure that your career, and possibly your life as a free man, was over.
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SGT Edward Wilcox
Maj Rob Drury, Your feeble attempt at threatening me is laughable, as you could do neither if we were on active duty. As for proving libel, it's a lot harder than you think, and my comment does not meet the legal standard, but you would know that if you were as literate in the Law as you would like us to think.
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What could have been done that night? I am not sure anyone knows for sure.
What concerns me as much was the fabricated stories of why it happened. I watched as people said it was a spontaneous demonstration. Really? How many bring RPGs to a spontaneous demonstration?
I am also concerned with what was told to the families of the lost and with the denials of same. I believe the mother's not the politicians.
What concerns me as much was the fabricated stories of why it happened. I watched as people said it was a spontaneous demonstration. Really? How many bring RPGs to a spontaneous demonstration?
I am also concerned with what was told to the families of the lost and with the denials of same. I believe the mother's not the politicians.
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LTC (Join to see)
The conflicting stories at the time were the result of two large government agencies trying to get our their talking points. State department said terrorist attack, CIA said response to the video.
Neither Hillary Clinton nor Barack Obama said anything the first day, and both said that it was likely a terrorist attack the day after.
This was a faux scandal, period.
Neither Hillary Clinton nor Barack Obama said anything the first day, and both said that it was likely a terrorist attack the day after.
This was a faux scandal, period.
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CPO Frank Coluccio
Obama and Hillary Blame Youtube Video for Benghazi Terrorist Attack as Coffins Arrive
Obama said he would stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in a ugly direction and he was not kidding. The bodies of Americans coming home i...
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"Neither Hillary Clinton nor Barack Obama said anything the first day, and both said that it was likely a terrorist attack the day after."
WRONG on all counts.
Hell-ary stated for days after it was in response to the video. There is video evidence of that from the conference when the four bodies were returned at Andrews AFB. Susan Rice, State Dept spokesman, went on five Sunday news talk shows the Sunday following the attack and on ALL five stated the attack was in response to the video.
0bama stated the attack was due to the video at Andrews AFB after Hell-ary spoke. He also went in front of the UN and stated the same thing almost two weeks AFTER the attack.
ALL I stated above are verifiable by video on YouTube, and I have posted it on this site in one of the many treads on this, that shows Hell-ary blaming the video. On top of that you have testimony from ALL four families that both Hell-ary AND 0bama TOLD them the attack was in response to a video and "they" were going to make sure the people who made that video were made to pay for making it.
Then you have the email evidence that Hell-ary sent an email to Chelsea hours after the attack that she KNEW it was a planned attack and did not mention a video AT ALL.
You, Sir, are repeating what "Madcow" Madow, "Tingles" Matthews, and the rest of MSLSD have been saying.
Here is the YouTube video; Hell-ary blaming the video at the 1:06 mark and stating that it was a "mob" and NOT terrorists for the attack at the 1:36 mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSooz2wXpes
Here is 0bama at the UN blaming the video almost two weeks later:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBb2EQmtnhQ
"Neither Hillary Clinton nor Barack Obama said anything the first day, and both said that it was likely a terrorist attack the day after."
WRONG on all counts.
Hell-ary stated for days after it was in response to the video. There is video evidence of that from the conference when the four bodies were returned at Andrews AFB. Susan Rice, State Dept spokesman, went on five Sunday news talk shows the Sunday following the attack and on ALL five stated the attack was in response to the video.
0bama stated the attack was due to the video at Andrews AFB after Hell-ary spoke. He also went in front of the UN and stated the same thing almost two weeks AFTER the attack.
ALL I stated above are verifiable by video on YouTube, and I have posted it on this site in one of the many treads on this, that shows Hell-ary blaming the video. On top of that you have testimony from ALL four families that both Hell-ary AND 0bama TOLD them the attack was in response to a video and "they" were going to make sure the people who made that video were made to pay for making it.
Then you have the email evidence that Hell-ary sent an email to Chelsea hours after the attack that she KNEW it was a planned attack and did not mention a video AT ALL.
You, Sir, are repeating what "Madcow" Madow, "Tingles" Matthews, and the rest of MSLSD have been saying.
Here is the YouTube video; Hell-ary blaming the video at the 1:06 mark and stating that it was a "mob" and NOT terrorists for the attack at the 1:36 mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSooz2wXpes
Here is 0bama at the UN blaming the video almost two weeks later:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBb2EQmtnhQ
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Capt (Join to see)
What? The mother's of those killed made up a lie about what Hillary told them? Well, that is certainly more believable than hiding the truth (which certainly was done) to assure it did not affect the election.
I suppose there is no reason you should. But, you certainly should not believe and try to reinforce the lie of the sec of state.
Just like with the ladies who brought forth the truth about Bill's sexual misbehavior the mother's were demonized as liars and the faithful sheep join right in.
I suppose there is no reason you should. But, you certainly should not believe and try to reinforce the lie of the sec of state.
Just like with the ladies who brought forth the truth about Bill's sexual misbehavior the mother's were demonized as liars and the faithful sheep join right in.
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