Posted on Sep 10, 2015
Would you support a military coup in the United States?
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Being in a democracy, a military coup is not necessary. A single leader who is ethical and charismatic could unite the country driving out Obama, Clinton, Boehner, McConnell, and all their cronies. Stop doing what your TV tells you to do, and get active. Only then can we spread the word and replace career politicians with normal humans.
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I'll try to toe that line. I'll open with that currently, nothing the current administration has done anything to warrant a coup in my opinion. But this is worth the professional discussion if only as a what if scenario.
As many already pointed out, the oath of enlistment is decidedly different than the officer's oath and the absence of the President in the officer's oath is worth note.
It concerns me that so many officers flatly say no. The men who wrote all of the founding documents were traitors to the crown, and if they lost the war they surely would have seen execution. The victors would surely use the language they prefer should the armed forces move against the government: traitors or revolutionaries.
So ask yourselves: if the president disbanded the supreme court, is that ok? Would you still fully support the president of he, or she, did such a thing?
As officers we are duty bound to support and defend the constitution. There are conditions that could be met, although extremely unlikely, that would warrant the military to stop the government if they went so renegade, but it should quickly move to re establish the government, holding new elections if necessary.
I do think the government's systems of checks and balances are strong enough that should any branch go that of the deep end the other branches could get it under control long before the military would get involved.
As many already pointed out, the oath of enlistment is decidedly different than the officer's oath and the absence of the President in the officer's oath is worth note.
It concerns me that so many officers flatly say no. The men who wrote all of the founding documents were traitors to the crown, and if they lost the war they surely would have seen execution. The victors would surely use the language they prefer should the armed forces move against the government: traitors or revolutionaries.
So ask yourselves: if the president disbanded the supreme court, is that ok? Would you still fully support the president of he, or she, did such a thing?
As officers we are duty bound to support and defend the constitution. There are conditions that could be met, although extremely unlikely, that would warrant the military to stop the government if they went so renegade, but it should quickly move to re establish the government, holding new elections if necessary.
I do think the government's systems of checks and balances are strong enough that should any branch go that of the deep end the other branches could get it under control long before the military would get involved.
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SGT Jeremiah B.
Sir, I think the flat-out no's are coming because most of us know this talk is purely driven by ideology. I can't count the number of times I've had this conversation where it really just boiled down to sour grapes, fear and a constant diet of ideologically driven media telling them everything is horrible.
This is not a "What-if" conversation. 99% of the time, this is founded firmly in the belief that "dirty Liberals" are seizing America for the "silent majority," and the US needs to be reset by killing as many of them as possible. All smugly justified in the belief that they speak for everyone.
This is not a "What-if" conversation. 99% of the time, this is founded firmly in the belief that "dirty Liberals" are seizing America for the "silent majority," and the US needs to be reset by killing as many of them as possible. All smugly justified in the belief that they speak for everyone.
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In the final years of the Republic the patrician order of "best men" thought that Roman tradition could outlast the changes which Caesar had enacted. That of course proved false as Caesar and his heir Octavian had made changes which could not be undone and which converted the half Republic, half Oligarchy into a full fledged Imperial regime. In a way it is similar to all those honorable military members that believe the old order can fix our current sorry state. It can't. De Toqueville called our fate long ago and you're looking at Balkanization or an imperial tyrant eventually regardless of your fealty to Constitutional means which no longer matter outside Civics class.
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Under certain conditions a military coup is far preferable to a corrupted Federal Constitutional Republic. Let's face it, Federalism and the Constitution are dead. The Executive Branch and it's unaccountable mafioso bureaucracy run roughshod. The Chief Executive openly violates the law and makes his own via Executive Order. The Supreme Court makes rulings on the basis of nothing but personal whim. Congress is neutered and refuses to perform their Constitutional duty whether it's the Iranian Nuclear Treaty oops I mean "agreement" or doing something as basic as passing a budget. I'd welcome a coup at this point.
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I'm not a veteran, so don't beat me up on this, but doesn't it say "all enemies foreign and domestic"
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