Posted on Nov 2, 2015
Would you prefer tipping at a restaurant or just paying the total charged even if it's a little higher to pay all employees "fairly"?
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Here we go again. The government is mucking around with the free market and guess who is going to pay. Well, we're all going to pay. Fast food workers are losing jobs. Consumers pay higher prices for less service.
One of the great failings of the Soviet Union was its controlled market economy. I well remember an incident in the late 1950s when we were shipping wheat to starving Russians only to learn later that they had ample supplies of grain rotting in the fields and silos. Why? Because those who managed supply and distribution from their lofty aeries in Moscow didn't know what they were doing. The Soviets also had a committee that decided the price of every commodity without regard to supply and demand. Are we headed in that direction? Will we fail as they failed?
It seems to me that anyone who thinks that the government knows better how we should spend our own money should look at how they spend money. Take for example purchasing practices at the Pentagon...
Here we go again. The government is mucking around with the free market and guess who is going to pay. Well, we're all going to pay. Fast food workers are losing jobs. Consumers pay higher prices for less service.
One of the great failings of the Soviet Union was its controlled market economy. I well remember an incident in the late 1950s when we were shipping wheat to starving Russians only to learn later that they had ample supplies of grain rotting in the fields and silos. Why? Because those who managed supply and distribution from their lofty aeries in Moscow didn't know what they were doing. The Soviets also had a committee that decided the price of every commodity without regard to supply and demand. Are we headed in that direction? Will we fail as they failed?
It seems to me that anyone who thinks that the government knows better how we should spend our own money should look at how they spend money. Take for example purchasing practices at the Pentagon...
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I'd rather pay more. I know too many great servers who get tipped crap because the customer is an ass, a church goer or rich (Yes, those are the three worst kinds of people to serve). Besides, there's no evidence that tipping leads to better service...if anything, it can lead to worse.
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Col Joseph Lenertz
Hmmm, that wasn't my experience at Uncle John's Pancake House, and it isn't my son's, as he has worked his way for 10 years from server to bartender to assistant manager to manager at various restaurants throughout Virginia. Ask someone who works in the industry, "who are the worst people to serve?" Rich people and church goers don't even get close to mean drunks and lecherous old men, or even zero-tip teenagers who think it's a blast to see how much syrup they can pour on the table, and how many pennies they can put in the ketchup bottle. The best servers still get the best tips on average.
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SGT Jeremiah B.
Col Joseph Lenertz - My brother-in-law runs a restaurant, both of my sisters were quite successful servers before moving on to other things. My dad, a pastor, gave more than one sermon about not being a crappy tipper after talking to local restaurant owners/managers. Where I'm from, the "Sunday crowd" was the most hated followed by the wealthy. Mean drunks and lecherous old men were pretty bad too, but that was somewhat expected.
Also, a lot of research indicates gender and race (of both giver and recipient) play more of a role in tipping than actual service.
Also, a lot of research indicates gender and race (of both giver and recipient) play more of a role in tipping than actual service.
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Col Joseph Lenertz
Agree on your last point that gender and race play strong roles. Have not seen the wealthy or Sunday crowd as a factor here. May be a localized phenomena.
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This is a two fold issue.
I've never encountered a server worth a damn that worried about their "draw" or minimum wage, let alone counted their tips. The good ones don't have to. They make FAR MORE from tips than they ever would from base pay.
Let's translate this over to "Outside sales." Exact same concept. The draw (base pay) means ZERO. The Commission (Tips) mean EVERYTHING, but if you are counting it, you aren't doing what you are supposed to.
Somehow the narrative got shifted a few years back however, and this became a pissing contest.
Now, my personal opinion is as follows. The amount of Service provided does not justify a PERCENTAGE of a Receipt. Simple as that. It's Trained Labor, as opposed to Unskilled Labor. It deserves and Hourly Rate commensurate with the location being serviced. The better the location, the better the Hourly Rate.
Alternately, Servers could PAY the Restaurant to work there because their ability to profit would be commensurate with their ability to Serve. If you pay in $100/hr, and make $200/hr you profit. If you pay in $100/hr, but your skill is only at a $50/hr level, you will quickly find yourself looking for other employment.
I've never encountered a server worth a damn that worried about their "draw" or minimum wage, let alone counted their tips. The good ones don't have to. They make FAR MORE from tips than they ever would from base pay.
Let's translate this over to "Outside sales." Exact same concept. The draw (base pay) means ZERO. The Commission (Tips) mean EVERYTHING, but if you are counting it, you aren't doing what you are supposed to.
Somehow the narrative got shifted a few years back however, and this became a pissing contest.
Now, my personal opinion is as follows. The amount of Service provided does not justify a PERCENTAGE of a Receipt. Simple as that. It's Trained Labor, as opposed to Unskilled Labor. It deserves and Hourly Rate commensurate with the location being serviced. The better the location, the better the Hourly Rate.
Alternately, Servers could PAY the Restaurant to work there because their ability to profit would be commensurate with their ability to Serve. If you pay in $100/hr, and make $200/hr you profit. If you pay in $100/hr, but your skill is only at a $50/hr level, you will quickly find yourself looking for other employment.
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