Posted on Nov 2, 2014
MSG Darren Gaddy
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This is in the new AR 600-20, Page 55 dtd 22 October 2014, under Equal Opportunity Policy: (c) Black or African American. A person having origins in any of the black racial groups of Africa. Terms such as "Haitian" or "Negro" can be used in addition to "Black” or “African American”. We'll I don't believe I've ever met any black Soldiers who refer to themselves as Negro. So this new regulation allows me to refer to myself as Negro, so what's stopping every and anyone else from referring to me as Negro. This is only a couple of syllables from the other N word. What group is referring to themselves as Negro at this point in time? Why, would this ever even be included in the regulation? It think it's problematic and will only incite additional racial issues in the Army. I personally find it to be offensive! This is my opinion, what is your opinion.
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MSG Talent Management Nco
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Are you insinuating that people that prefer the term negro are somehow antiquated? I believe it to be more of a genuine term than african american to a population that has no ties to Africa. I also feel the use of dark and light green to refer to the color of Soldiers is disingenuous because it is based on the argument that you are color blind. If that is the case than all are green, not shades of. I dont believe it to be an oversight, more so allowing a once widely used term to survive without it being stigmatized.
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MSG John Wirts
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The absurdity of this became apparent when a caucasian African citizen, came to America and applied for citizenship. He became an American citizen with dual citizenship in his home country. He applied to a state college identifying himself as an African-American, he was accepted , when he came in to enroll and was found to be white, he was rejected for fraudulent enrollment!
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1SG Steven Stankovich
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MSG Karl Arrington
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Negro is an old term and has been out of "vogue" for years. I don't understand why Haitian was included in the definition, so it may have been related to that. This also brings up another issue: why was Haitian included but Cuban, Dominican Jamaican, etc. not included. Being referred to as an African American hasn't stopped racism and there are still people out there that would refer to me with the "other N word", including other African Americans. Also, I have just read AR 600-20 dtd 6 November 2014 and that definition has been changed already with the offending portion removed.
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MSG John Wirts
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Why are some people so into being offended? Why are some people entitled to offend everyone with impunity yet they demand the change of established definitions and words to suit their offended selves???
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SFC Edward Sneed
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MSG Wirts, I fail to see your logic, to maintain such a gesture, that is no longer needed. What is your concern that this term be left in the regulation? It doesn't have anything to do with being offended, it has to do with the necessity of such said term, and whether or not it is still required. It's an item that is no longer needed for identification purposes, in military regulation, and, as it stands, has been removed.
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CW2 Geoff Lachance
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What's wrong with name and rank! We wear the same uniform and bleed the same color! This brings us back a few years!
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SPC Brandon Bare
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There is a new published AR 600-20 as of November 6, 2014 (today). I believe that it no longer includes the phrase that you were concerned about. Perhaps someone had a "how'd that get in there, you're fired" moment. As for me, I am sensitive to how I might come across when discussing race, the last thing I would want to do is offend someone inadvertently (although I know I have). I feel that most don't really focus on race beyond that realization to be sensitive not to offend. Although there are a few in our ranks who harbor negative feelings and even fewer who would dare act on them, I hope they continue to diminish. Perhaps one day when they ask us what color we are upon our enlistment forms we can simply say 'red', which is the color we are all willing to bleed for our country and fellow soldiers.
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CPL David Martin
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Why do we need an Army Reg to let us know what we can call people.... We are not idiots. Micro-managing at its best! I personally do not like that term and would never use it. Just my .02.
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Human would also be an acceptable write in. Identifying by melanin content on any form is inherently racist. Some argue that eliminating this would make police investigations more difficult. To that I say simply add a column just like hair and eye color. Simple as that. Let's get rid of terms like negro, African American, black, Latino, Hispanic, Arab, middle eastern, Caucasian, white, etc. These identifiers serve to do nothing more than segregate us all. Technically we born in this country but we all are blank-American cause our origin is not from here. So respect of your ancestors would make me African-American.....I'm not the color black nor a negro which by the way is latin for "niger", pronounced "ni**er".
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MSG Karl Arrington
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You can't get rid of it completely sir. Color, hue, shade would still be used for identifying characteristics.
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I thought we were all "green" in the Army. :-)
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SSG (ret) William Martin
SSG (ret) William Martin
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What does the "new and updated" AR refer Asians as?
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SGT Nobody
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Negro is Spanish and French for Black
Negro is not Latin for Niger per a few translators I used.
Negro translates to Aethiopissa which in turn refers to Ethiopian woman.
All this being said, the web page I'm linking lays out a pretty good case that the "N" word came from the Egyptian word N-g-r which meant GOD(Pharaoh). And N-t-y-r (pronounced net-jer) which means King. Blah blah blah Romans connected the word to mean black from ancient times where blacks were worshipped as gods. WEBPAGE BELOW if you care that much.

Basically based on this little bit of info, the "N" word has gone from being God to derogatory. (And cigarettes were once enforced by Doctors. People are stupid.)

http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-original-meaning-of-the-n-word-by-pianke-nubiyang/
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Wow. Didn't see that one coming. Not smart on the actual meaning and root of the word. I think it probably has some non-confrontational meaning, but the problem is that is sounds too close and has probably been used an an inflamatory way in the past...so despite it being a proper descriptor of an ethnic background as a sub-set of a race...it's probably something to avoid. I have issue with the term black or african american as well. They are both too generic. Black's a color...not a race. Same thing with white. Why don't we call hispanics "caramel?" Too broad and it belongs in a crayon box. African American is too PC and it's not correct. One people are African-American...they are the recently arrived and possibly dual citizen or just naturalized citizens. I overheard a great conversation between one of these people and a soldier about it where the person from Africa (actually born there and immigrated) was calling out the Soldier on his belief that he was African American. The terms just breed division all around, even among those inside of the race and subsets. More division = more strife and problems.
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SSG Eddye Royal
SSG Eddye Royal
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this is for LTC Robert Halvorson,  the quest or answer is being discussed on Linkedin also. I am of mixed race so my grandmother got called to the carpet for changing birth records. So being "WHITE" means something to them, but if I say German cuz, then they will say of You mean European. YES.
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SGM Senior Adviser, National Communications
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MSG Gaddy, good question. It seems archaic and out of place. One wonders why it appears since the term fell out of modern use; however, there is likely a reason and you should seek it. Otherwise, it would not be the first time someone from another culture or from older generation claimed it as valid (some who are not African-AMERICAN may still use that designation in other countries, but I do not know of any). I do know that among "indians" we have the Native American and American Indian Distinctions. Interestingly, people whom are more white usually state "Native American" whereas people on tribal rolls state American Indian, or AI. Many "Hispanics" and "Latinos" don't like that designation either, they may simply want to be Puerto Rican, Spanish, Mexican, etc. So, work it through the IG and or the proponent of the regulation to get an answer.
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COL Vincent Stoneking
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SGM (Join to see) also among "indians", the term "First Peoples" seems to be gaining steam.
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SGM Senior Adviser, National Communications
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LTC Stoneking, yes sir...and here we are with Native American Heritage Month vs American Indian Month as we used to call it...."natives" and "indigenous peoples" and so forth don't play well on the reservation. Among the activists, "first peoples" sends a message. However, DNA is showing that the "First Peoples" on the continent might by far predate what we think are American Indians. My own DNA, despite family members on tribal rolls, shows ancient Inuit from Greenland. Of course I am by far more English (father) and -French-Italian (mother). A new theory also links AI DNA to ancient europeans and what we now call AmerIndians.
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SGM Erik Marquez
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Putting aside for a moment the need to modify the term American with anything else...

Perhaps the inclusion of the term "Negro" is do to the fact people from all races, county's, places, groups, tribes, cities, are allowed to Serve (under some conditions) and term "Negro" is still used, acceptable and normal for some locals. Denying the serving Soldier the right to be referred to by what they know, culturally grew up with, find normal and agreeable would be as wrong as allowing the term "cracker" be required as the term of reference for any Caucasian Soldier.

Or Perhaps its an oversight that it was left in.....

A better question though ..... who is offended? Is it the Soldier who's race is being referred to as "Negro" or is it a third party having ZERO standing being offended for that SM?
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MSG Darren Gaddy
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Negro is a dated term traditionally used to denote persons considered to be of a particular heritage. The term can be construed as offensive or inoffensive, largely depending on the region where it is used. Since we aren’t in the region of Africa where the Spanish deemed this term acceptable to use back in the 1500’s, it’s generally considered offensive. Do to the negative connotations associated with the term, it was dropped by the US Military in 2014 in EO policies which I won’t expound upon. In 2017 President Obama signed into law to modernize old era laws replacing Negro with African American and Oriental for Asian American. Although it is not forbidden on some Gov forms and if a person should so choose, he/she can classify him/herself as such. My argument is that the term is obsolete/antiquated and should not be used in our Armed Forces. It only brings questions about why it’s being used again and for whom. We can continue since the current President has decided to delay the Obama proposal to remove Negro from federal forms, but this is all just my opinion and I won’t speculate why.
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