Posted on May 29, 2017
SFC William Farrell
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SFC G1 Enlisted Personnel Management Ncoic
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The Chief of NGB was elevated to the Joint chiefs of staff in the last 10-15 years as the Guard had transformed from a reserve force to more of an operational force from all the deployments. Plus the Army Reserve is more of a component to the Active Army than the Guard. Plus there are 54 different National Guards, one for each state and territory, which are controlled by the governors when not on Title 10 orders. That was my understanding of it.
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SFC William Farrell
SFC William Farrell
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Thanks SFC (Join to see) I did not realize the Chief, NGB was on the Joint Staff. Just looked it up after you had mentioned it. Ive known two former Chiefs of the Army Reserve, General William Ward and General Harry Mott as they were both in units that I had belonged to and in researching them it made me wonder about the higher ranking NG Chief. What you said makes sense.
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SPC Erich Guenther
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Ha, I watched the hearings on CSPAN back when this happened. The Army represented by General Odierno wanted to keep the NG subordinate to it's chain of command and vehemently objected to the elevation of the NGB head to the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Their excuse for objecting (total bullshit, btw) just reinforced the belief in Congress the Army was never serious about integrating the National Guard into the larger Army missions and deployments and just motivated Congress to seal the deal. The Army's argument was basically one more Army General on the Joint Chiefs of Staff would only confuse everyone. Congress's argument that the NGB had to have a voice on the JCS because in the past the Army had made mistakes in misrepresenting or not presenting at all, the National Guard's position and that broader input was better than restricted input.
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SFC William Farrell
SFC William Farrell
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Interesting take on this SPC Erich Guenther thanks for the info.
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CPT Andrew Wright
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1. Politics. 2. The state Adjutant Generals are authorized two-star positions and the chain of command works just a little better if the higher command has higher rank. It has only elevated to the three and four star ranks in the last twenty years or so. 3. Strength: The National Guard has about 340,000 soldiers. The Army Reserve has about 199,000 so the Chief of Army Reserve is authorized at a lower rank to compensate. 4. More politics.
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Actually, the Army Reserve has an 199K, but I do agree with you on the points 1,2, and 4.
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LTC Stephen B.
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You left out the Air National Guard members... National Guard includes both Army and Air National Guard. CNGB is the chief of the only Joint Activity of the Department of Defense. He does not command the TAGs or the Guard, but he speaks on behalf of all National Guard Soldiers and Airmen at the DoD level.
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