Posted on Nov 14, 2014
Who was the best military commander throughout modern history?
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Keep it to the last 250 or so years please.
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Admiral of the Fleet Chester A. Nimitz: The one thing that stands out in Adm. Chester Nimitz’s tenure as America’s premier fleet admiral in the Pacific Theater of Operations during WWII is the nearly flawless strategic plan he concocted to deliver a decisive military victory over the armed forces of Imperial Japan.
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SSG Maurice P.
there was alot of them SFC MERINO.........
1.CHESTY PULLER LIEUT. GENERAL USMC (RET)
2.GEORGE PATTON GENERAL U.S.A
3.GEORGE WASHINGTON GENERAL CONTINENTAL ARMY
4.FLEET ADMIRAL BULL HALSEY
5.GENERAL BLACKJACK PERSHING
6.HOWLIN MAD SMITH GENERAL USMC
7.ROBERT E. LEE GENERAL CONFEDERATE ARMY
8.GAVIN GENERAL U.S.A (COMMANDER OF 101ST AIRBORNE WW2)
9.BILLY MITCHELL BRIGADIER GENERAL USAAC
10.EVANS CARLSON BRIGADIER GENERAL USMC (COMMANDER 2ND MARINE RAIDER BATTALION WW2)
11.RED MIKE EDSON BRIGADIER GENERAL USMC (COMMANDER 1ST MARINE RAIDER BATTALION WW2)
12.(MAD DOG) MATTIS GENERAL USMC...
13.JOHN A LE JUENE GENERAL USMC
1.CHESTY PULLER LIEUT. GENERAL USMC (RET)
2.GEORGE PATTON GENERAL U.S.A
3.GEORGE WASHINGTON GENERAL CONTINENTAL ARMY
4.FLEET ADMIRAL BULL HALSEY
5.GENERAL BLACKJACK PERSHING
6.HOWLIN MAD SMITH GENERAL USMC
7.ROBERT E. LEE GENERAL CONFEDERATE ARMY
8.GAVIN GENERAL U.S.A (COMMANDER OF 101ST AIRBORNE WW2)
9.BILLY MITCHELL BRIGADIER GENERAL USAAC
10.EVANS CARLSON BRIGADIER GENERAL USMC (COMMANDER 2ND MARINE RAIDER BATTALION WW2)
11.RED MIKE EDSON BRIGADIER GENERAL USMC (COMMANDER 1ST MARINE RAIDER BATTALION WW2)
12.(MAD DOG) MATTIS GENERAL USMC...
13.JOHN A LE JUENE GENERAL USMC
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Capt Walter Miller
What? No.
Nimitz had MAGIC to help him defeat the Japanese. He had an almost unlimited superiority of material. The Japanese proved almost incapable of adapting to changing circumstances. Nimitz was awesome. The best? No way to tell.
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Nimitz had MAGIC to help him defeat the Japanese. He had an almost unlimited superiority of material. The Japanese proved almost incapable of adapting to changing circumstances. Nimitz was awesome. The best? No way to tell.
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Capt Walter Miller
And Nimitz's plan did -not- involve an invasion of the Philippines. He argued against it. FDR signed off on it to placate MacArthur.
So Nimitz did not have control over all operations, so he didn't have a strategic plan, let alone a flawless one.
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So Nimitz did not have control over all operations, so he didn't have a strategic plan, let alone a flawless one.
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So Barney Rubble is out then? lol. I am partial to General McArthur and Omar Bradley.
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LTC Scott O'Neil
I like General Pershing, Patton and Bradley, General Westmorland, Abrams and Ridgway lastly General Riemer, Swartzkopf, and Sullivan
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I saw Norman in Tampa at Raymond James Stadium. Very cool. Had people protesting... very nasty mean people.
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Hard to argue against Lee. Until Gettysburg, the guy was winning battles where he was heavily outnumbered and outmaneuvered. Nathan Bedford Forrest was also a tactical genius. And although he's one of my favorite generals, Grant won most of his battles by being willing to throw people into almost certain death.
I've always found it somewhat amusing that Washington is as revered as he is for his military leadership. The revolutionary war was really won through a series of British mistakes and simple luck. Washington lost more battles than he won, but the Brits made some amazingly stupid decisions early on. Between Boston and New York, the Brits could have easily ended the Revolutionary War at numerous time points.
I've always found it somewhat amusing that Washington is as revered as he is for his military leadership. The revolutionary war was really won through a series of British mistakes and simple luck. Washington lost more battles than he won, but the Brits made some amazingly stupid decisions early on. Between Boston and New York, the Brits could have easily ended the Revolutionary War at numerous time points.
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MAJ (Join to see) Good point about the lameness of union generals. People today are still trying to understand what was going through the mind of George McClellan. The Civil War could have likely been ended much earlier if he hadn't continuously either refused to act or acted late. Union soldiers found a copy of General Lee's plans for Antietam, yet he waited so long to take action that Lee was able to reinforce their position which then led to the single bloodiest battle in history, vs what otherwise would have been an easy union victory.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Capt Richard I P. I do agree with you to an extent. However, I think it was really arrogance that was Lee's final undoing. He had won so many battles leading up to Antietam and Gettysburg - and often while being heavily outnumbered - that he started feeling like his soldiers were unbeatable. He began marching them too great of distances without proper provisions and, as you said, putting his soldiers in situations where they weren't able to effectively fight. By the time he arrived in Gettysburg, his troops were exhausted, but he was obsessed with moving into the north. Some of those initial charges were absolute bloodbaths because he had his people crossing over open fields directly into fire. I've read some union soldier accounts stating that confederates were taking casualties at rates equivalent to the rates at which union soldiers could reload their weapons. Pretty much culminated with Pickett's Charge, and turned the entire momentum of the war.
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Capt Walter Miller
Lee is vastly overrated. How can the best military leader in the last 250 years be a loser?
The CSA didn’t really have much success on the battlefield. Federal battle deaths were 110,000, CSA battle deaths were 94,000. Since the so-called CSA was on the defensive, and the recent wide spread use of the rifled musket magnified defensive power at the expense of offensive power, those figures should show –many- more federal deaths than CSA deaths, in keeping with Napoleon’s dictum that it takes three attackers to drive off one defender. The rebels also had the advantage of interior lines.
Federal armies in the ‘West’ went pretty much from victory to victory throughout the war, capturing Forts Henry and Donelson early in 1862, occupying Nashville not long after that, driving into north Mississippi to cut the east-west rail line to Texas, driving off CSA army after army in the investment of Vicksburg, where an entire army was captured, driving the rebels out of middle Tennessee and capturing Chattanooga, inexorably advancing on and capturing Atlanta, Savannah and Columbia. The single bad check of the western federal armies was at Chickamauga.
In the eastern theater, Lee had as little success outside Virginia as various federal generals had within it. He is vastly overrated. After he wrecked his own army for offensive operations, he operated primarily on the defensive in an era when defensive technologies were dominant.
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The CSA didn’t really have much success on the battlefield. Federal battle deaths were 110,000, CSA battle deaths were 94,000. Since the so-called CSA was on the defensive, and the recent wide spread use of the rifled musket magnified defensive power at the expense of offensive power, those figures should show –many- more federal deaths than CSA deaths, in keeping with Napoleon’s dictum that it takes three attackers to drive off one defender. The rebels also had the advantage of interior lines.
Federal armies in the ‘West’ went pretty much from victory to victory throughout the war, capturing Forts Henry and Donelson early in 1862, occupying Nashville not long after that, driving into north Mississippi to cut the east-west rail line to Texas, driving off CSA army after army in the investment of Vicksburg, where an entire army was captured, driving the rebels out of middle Tennessee and capturing Chattanooga, inexorably advancing on and capturing Atlanta, Savannah and Columbia. The single bad check of the western federal armies was at Chickamauga.
In the eastern theater, Lee had as little success outside Virginia as various federal generals had within it. He is vastly overrated. After he wrecked his own army for offensive operations, he operated primarily on the defensive in an era when defensive technologies were dominant.
Walt
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