Posted on Mar 23, 2018
Where can I find information on the ROTC Medical Profile Regulations/Procedures?
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I have few questions about medical profiles and ROTC.
My solider was physically assaulted, by a civilian, which resulted in a back injury and she was given a medical profile by her doctor. Charges were filed and the person who assaulted my solider plead guilty. So, my questions are: 1) Is it common for the Cadre to constantly ask the solider when they are going to be off profile or give the solider a hard time for being on a medical profile 2) My solider still attended PT but couldn't participate, attended lab classes, and completed all of assigned cadet duties given. A few classes were missed due to physical therapy or doctor appointments. However; the grades given were a C and a C- and my solider was given the reason of well you were on medical profile and there is no way to prove that you had an injury or that the assault caused such a bad injury. My solider offered the police and court papers, which the Cadre said didn't matter, gave her medical letters to the Cadre multiple times, along with medical letters from the physical therapist and the solider was told it didn't matter there was no proof. The solider was even threatened, by a MS, to have their contact taken away because of being on a medical profile. When the solider brought it to the LTC the solider was basically told to suck it up and grow a thicker skin. My solider is also in the Army National Guard and they accepted the medical profile and have not done any of what the ROTC Cadre are doing and continue to do. 3) Why is it the no one, Cadre or other officers the solider has spoken to, seem to know the procedures or regulations/articles for medical profiles? 4) Where does one find the regulations or articles for medical profiles for Army/ROTC.
My solider was physically assaulted, by a civilian, which resulted in a back injury and she was given a medical profile by her doctor. Charges were filed and the person who assaulted my solider plead guilty. So, my questions are: 1) Is it common for the Cadre to constantly ask the solider when they are going to be off profile or give the solider a hard time for being on a medical profile 2) My solider still attended PT but couldn't participate, attended lab classes, and completed all of assigned cadet duties given. A few classes were missed due to physical therapy or doctor appointments. However; the grades given were a C and a C- and my solider was given the reason of well you were on medical profile and there is no way to prove that you had an injury or that the assault caused such a bad injury. My solider offered the police and court papers, which the Cadre said didn't matter, gave her medical letters to the Cadre multiple times, along with medical letters from the physical therapist and the solider was told it didn't matter there was no proof. The solider was even threatened, by a MS, to have their contact taken away because of being on a medical profile. When the solider brought it to the LTC the solider was basically told to suck it up and grow a thicker skin. My solider is also in the Army National Guard and they accepted the medical profile and have not done any of what the ROTC Cadre are doing and continue to do. 3) Why is it the no one, Cadre or other officers the solider has spoken to, seem to know the procedures or regulations/articles for medical profiles? 4) Where does one find the regulations or articles for medical profiles for Army/ROTC.
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Okay, first off, it is "soldier" not "solider". You are in college, you should know this.
Second, you guys are not soldiers, you are cadets, word your question as such.
Third, yes, often times, even on active duty, leaders will ask often when the profile is up so that they can plan accordingly. They ask often because they forget. It is a good idea to make a copy of the profile and turn it into the proper leadership so that they have all of the information on hand.
As for the grades in classes, C's are awful. Regardless of an injury, the student should have made arrangements to complete their work.
As for not "believing" how the injury was sustained. Sounds like your cadre are morons. However, that being said, perhaps ROTC has a different standard for medical profiles than the NG unit does.
If your cadet really wants to get to the bottom of this I would advise picking up a regulation that should be available at the unit and do some actual reading. If they can prove that they are right then it should be fine. Worst case scenario, they find that the cadre are correct and then they are shit out of luck.
Second, you guys are not soldiers, you are cadets, word your question as such.
Third, yes, often times, even on active duty, leaders will ask often when the profile is up so that they can plan accordingly. They ask often because they forget. It is a good idea to make a copy of the profile and turn it into the proper leadership so that they have all of the information on hand.
As for the grades in classes, C's are awful. Regardless of an injury, the student should have made arrangements to complete their work.
As for not "believing" how the injury was sustained. Sounds like your cadre are morons. However, that being said, perhaps ROTC has a different standard for medical profiles than the NG unit does.
If your cadet really wants to get to the bottom of this I would advise picking up a regulation that should be available at the unit and do some actual reading. If they can prove that they are right then it should be fine. Worst case scenario, they find that the cadre are correct and then they are shit out of luck.
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Ann Christensen
First, thank you for the reply. Second, not that I owe you an explanation but I was dictating into a microphone because I broke my arm/hand and it obviously did not hear me correctly and I did not have time to spell check but I will make sure I do this time.
First off, the person in question is a SOLDIER who has been through boot camp (Platoon Leader all 10 weeks), 18 weeks of AIT (Graduated with honors), serves in the Army National Guard (3 years so far), full-time college student (does plenty of reading) and ROTC Cadet. FYI, you cannot make up labs and she went to all her classes, and how about those in charge actually show some leadership skills and help the Cadet. The Cadet did their part and has asked ways to make it up.
NCO's like you (condescending) are the reason she went through boot camp and AIT. She wants to be an officer that can relate, because of experience, to her NCO's and fellow officers. She does not want to treat or speak to ANYONE the way some officers or SGT like you do or just did. I was under the assumption that this site could be used to ask questions or for information. What I didn't realize is that I would be spoke down to by some prick. My sincere apologies to anyone who is under your command because the way you spoke in your response tells me you are like my SOLDIER's cadre.
So, I will go with that the cadre are morons and power hungry, control freaks.
First off, the person in question is a SOLDIER who has been through boot camp (Platoon Leader all 10 weeks), 18 weeks of AIT (Graduated with honors), serves in the Army National Guard (3 years so far), full-time college student (does plenty of reading) and ROTC Cadet. FYI, you cannot make up labs and she went to all her classes, and how about those in charge actually show some leadership skills and help the Cadet. The Cadet did their part and has asked ways to make it up.
NCO's like you (condescending) are the reason she went through boot camp and AIT. She wants to be an officer that can relate, because of experience, to her NCO's and fellow officers. She does not want to treat or speak to ANYONE the way some officers or SGT like you do or just did. I was under the assumption that this site could be used to ask questions or for information. What I didn't realize is that I would be spoke down to by some prick. My sincere apologies to anyone who is under your command because the way you spoke in your response tells me you are like my SOLDIER's cadre.
So, I will go with that the cadre are morons and power hungry, control freaks.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
I find it horribly funny that you believe that the NCOs that you come into contact with, including myself, feel any need to make you feel warm and cuddly. The best NCOs are pricks. They keep people alive. Save your tears for your cadet friends.
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LCpl Shane Couch
Yes, she is a soldier. But in a ROTC setting, which she is having the issue with, she is a Cadet.
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I can tell you from both from my own personal experience and from my professional experience that this is not going to be a battle easily won. I would highly recommend speaking to all of the following individuals, but ensure to use the chain of command:
1. Medical Officer
2. JAG Officer
3. IG Officer
If absolutely necessary, file a Congressional Investigation.
1. Medical Officer
2. JAG Officer
3. IG Officer
If absolutely necessary, file a Congressional Investigation.
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Well let’s see it from their point. So you say you want to commission in the Army and we have a responsibility to ensure the quality of officers that commission. Of course they are going to be hounding this cadet. Not doing PT and not participating can be viewed as an indicator of malingering. Not that’s case but hey. I have seen some very crappy profiles written by doctors on the request of the Soldier. So if there were indications of malingering before then the cadre may be considering that. I’ll tell you when ever I have been on profile no one ever hounded me about it cause they know I work hard during PT. If you don’t have that reputation before the injury it’s hard to build one after. The LTC pretty much said he is ok with them asking about her status. Nothing you can do but get yourself in trouble. They are not forcing the cadet to break the profile so really- no harm but the cadet’s reputation. There is no regulations against the command forming an opinion of a Soldier.
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