Posted on Dec 21, 2017
When processing an NCOER with a supplementary reviewer, does the rated NCO still sign last?
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I'm at a joint unit so I have to have a supplementary reviewer. All I found was when deleting signature it's the reverse order of signing and goes supplementary reviewer, rated NCO, senior rater, rater. So I'm assuming that means signature order is rater, senior rater, rated NCO, reviewer.
Edit: I found a FAQ on HRC and states supplementary reviewer signs last. It didn't state it in the EES guide - the EES guide does state deleting signatures in the reverse order.
Edit 2: Has anyone had issues with assigning delegates? I went to submit the NCOER and it says only a senior rater and his/her delegates can submit to HQDA. I assigned the NCOIC to be the senior rater's delegate but my NCOER doesn't show up for them. Does the senior rater have to assign their delegates? I assigned a delegate to the supplementary reviewer and she was able to pull up my NCOER. My senior rater is on leave but did email him that he has to submit it.
Edit: I found a FAQ on HRC and states supplementary reviewer signs last. It didn't state it in the EES guide - the EES guide does state deleting signatures in the reverse order.
Edit 2: Has anyone had issues with assigning delegates? I went to submit the NCOER and it says only a senior rater and his/her delegates can submit to HQDA. I assigned the NCOIC to be the senior rater's delegate but my NCOER doesn't show up for them. Does the senior rater have to assign their delegates? I assigned a delegate to the supplementary reviewer and she was able to pull up my NCOER. My senior rater is on leave but did email him that he has to submit it.
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Make sure when the Senior Rater assigns someone as a delegate, they have all rights as the delegate. You can only assign 2 individuals with those read/write rights. All others are view only. If you don't assign a delegate any rights, that individual will not be able to see the NCOER.
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The only reason a person signs an NCOER is they are verifying the Personal information. Name Unit social. A Signature does not mean you are agreeing with the content of the NCOER.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
Yes I know this. I have known this for the last 11 years being a NCO. I asked because you have to sign it in the right order on EES or you will get an error and can get locked out. I found a FAQ that states if there's a supplementary reviewer they sign last. There was disagreement between me and the reviewer's aide at first when I posted this question and couldn't find anything until I searched more. I'm just trying to make sure it's not super late like it was last year.
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Actually,
As clearly stated on the NCOER, this is what the Rated NCO's signature is verifying.
"I understand my signature does not constitute agreement or disagreement with the assessments of the rater and senior rater. I further understand my signature verifies that the administrative data
in Part I, the rating officials and counseling dates in Part II, the duty description in Part III, and the APFT and height/weight entries in Part IVa and IVb are correct. I have seen the completed report. I am aware of
the appeals process of AR 623-3."
So if you have not counseled your Soldier on those dates, have incorrect data, etc they don't have to sign. So make sure those counselings are done in line with those dates.
As clearly stated on the NCOER, this is what the Rated NCO's signature is verifying.
"I understand my signature does not constitute agreement or disagreement with the assessments of the rater and senior rater. I further understand my signature verifies that the administrative data
in Part I, the rating officials and counseling dates in Part II, the duty description in Part III, and the APFT and height/weight entries in Part IVa and IVb are correct. I have seen the completed report. I am aware of
the appeals process of AR 623-3."
So if you have not counseled your Soldier on those dates, have incorrect data, etc they don't have to sign. So make sure those counselings are done in line with those dates.
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SSG Peters read the fine print of the rated NCO's signature block. You are giving bad information about only verifying Personal information. As SSG M A has pointed out, your signature does more than verify the personal information. If you haven't ever been counseled IAW AR 623-3, and you disagree with a mark on your NCOER, you are not required to sign it. Counselings on a DA 4856 is not IAW AR 623-3, and you must receive quarterly performance counselings; not event-oriented counselings to justify being counseled. According to the regulation, the rater must leave any counseling dates that did not occur, and the Senior Rater must state the reason for the Rated NCO not being counseled IAW AR 623-3. Be careful how you misconstrue the purpose of your signature.
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