Posted on Sep 27, 2013
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MSgt David Mann
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I can only speak to the AF side of the house, but I believe the evaluation/promotion system needs to be overhauled.  Too many maxed EPS/OPRs; these are supposed to be reserved for the elite performers, not the "show up and do your job performers."  Too many people in positions of leadership are willing to accept mediocrity instead of excellence; I agree with PO2 Fox's comments above.  DoD Civilian personnel need to be subject to the same scrutiny; it's near impossible to get an underperforming civilian out of their job when I can find eager and hardworking vets who are focused on the mission instead of a paycheck.
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CPO George Fox
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I think we need to focus on leadership and the advancement process. The best test takers aren't always the best leaders, but it's the test takers that get advanced. Leadership is about performance, not test scores. 

Under President Clinton the military lost a lot of experience. This is going to happen again if the system isn't changed. I find myself in this category. I'm a high performer, but don't always have the time afforded to study before the test. Life gets in the way. My wife has lupus, kids have homework and school functions. 

Experienced leadership can effectively change the other areas, especially those penny pinching changes we need. We just need the right leaders. Just my 2cents.
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CMC Robert Young
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Petty Officer Fox you are on to something about test scores not being a great predictor of future leadership potential.

And likewise I believe we are already on the cusp of losing much of our senior and most experienced workforce through increasing pressures to go up and/or out.
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PO1 Jack Howell
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CMC Robert Young - I believe that some of our most experience people were lost when the navy utilized ERB. Under that program, many experienced and talented individuals were separated from the Navy. Many of those people had up to 15 years and were planning on making the Navy a career. Another problem with that program was that people were told that if they had a critical NEC, then they would be safe, which turned out to be a lie. I think that if the downsizing continues, there will be another ERB (or whatever the Navy decides to call it at that time). As we have seen in the news unfortunately, many of our leaders have been relieved because of bad mistakes. Perhaps it's time for the Navy to direct leaders at ALL levels to go through leadership training again with a special emphasis on each branch's version of Navy Core Values (Honor, Courage, and Commitment). Good leaders that make intelligent decisions and lead by example are essential.
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
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The downsizing is a necessary event that will ultimately be beneficial for the effectiveness and efficiency of the military.

During the downsizing, the military should look to refocus on the new threats that are emerging on the world stage.  Cyber-warfare is the future battleground and the US military is already woe-fully behind in both offensive and defensive cyber-capabilities.  We need to take this opportunity to fund and develop our technological edge.  

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SGT Paul (Eric) Haines
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The most important thing that our beloved are can do during a time like this is thoroughly evaluate, and retain at all costs, our combat tested, proven, and effective junior and senior Non-Commissioned Officers. We currently have the greatest, battle hardened and tested NCO Corp in the last 100 years. I don't mean just in our country- in the world. To lose that resource would, I fear, drag our fighting force back to the bad old days that damn near ended the United States Army as an effective fighting force both during the last days of, and for years after the Vietnam war. I was privileged to enlist at a great time of modernization, and return to the roots of our NCO led force, 1994, and saw first hand how our combat tested NCO's got the job done. Oh, and they made sure the new junior leaders benefitted from their wisdom to keep the Green Machine runnin' smooth. Desert Storm, and follow on operations in the Middle East proved this without a doubt. Our biggest enemy within the ranks now is "political correctness", and the outright "sissy-fication" of what was once the most efficient and feared fighting force the world has ever known. The feeling of pride and confidence that was instilled in me via a Warfighter environment and training left no doubt in mine, and my comrades' minds, that not only were we the best, but there was no chance- ever - that we could lose. We knew that we could get hurt, or even die. But the mission would be accomplished. Period. We weren't arrogant, just supremely confident that we were the best in the world. Ever. That Warfighter mentality is fast being destroyed because of   the idea that our Army needs to be a test bed for every "social justice" experiment that whoever passes for the "Good Idea Fairy" in Washington comes up with. Leave the defense of our Nation to the sheep dogs. Not the sheep. 
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SFC Platoon Sergeant
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As a military, we must get back to the values that make us great - that make us the standard by which the rest of the world is measured. If we are to do less with more, we must ensure that those who remain are of the highest moral character and will make the most of what we have and what we have to do. We have been consistently called upon to do that which others can't under circumstances that make others shrink and fall back. If we are to succeed in this time of downsizing, we don't have the luxury of relying on numbers to get the right people in the right places. We must retain the right Soldiers until that's all there is left.
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Maj C 130 Pilot & Flight Lead
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There is way too much training for stuff we don't do down range. Take for instance the C-130H, we haven't flown SKE operationally since Vietnam, why are we still wasting up to 60-70% of a training sortie to practice this archaic TTP?  Just go through the list of CBTs we have to accomplish and how many get added each year. Just because it's new doesn't mean it's a good idea. If it doesn't provide a benefit to the force don't require us to so it. The ORM CBT hasn't been updated for 5 yrs. We are in a big push for going green and energy savings, let's also focus that attention on physical energy. With a downsizing force we must do more with less, each individual will be taking on more additional duties and having to accomplish those tasks we were once able to sparingly distribute to our members. So if this is the case, we need to immediately identify the tasks that are either redundant or that provide no direct benefit to our current operations.  OEF has tired out force, the physical and mental energy is depleted and we need to find ways to recharge it. 
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LTC Senior Human Resources Officer
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 A change in culture... When facing a situation of limited resources combined with consequent downsizing, the word efficiency normally is ventured into the conversation.  However, discussing efficiency cannot be uttered without tremendous consideration for effectiveness.  Therefore, I would say perception of today's reality is the most importantant thing all leaders should focus on. A discussion in messaging may help shift perception from hopelessness to a desire to innovate.  


 Empowering the field to innovate... Inevitably, when resources are tightened, additional oversight seems to be the response to prevent extraneous spending.  The additional bureaucracy that is begotten essentially deters the field from making requests on time sensitive matters.  There is a short term savings but a great loss of overall effectiveness.  My hope is that eventually authority to approve is more aligned with the echelon that has the responsibility to execute.  Therefore less time is spent on following up on requests sent higher allowing the lower echelons to accomplish a mission.  Consider Simon's theory of plurality.  Simon found that in studying convictions by a jury, that each time the number of jurors increased the number of wrongful convictions decreased.  He further found that the greatest improvement occurred at the number twelve.  While certainly, there is the concern that the more individuals involved in a project the longer it will take to reach consensus, the only logical conclusion is to strike a balance.


  Our Army has many phenomenal leaders that are experts in a variety of fields.  If we can empower our leaders at the tactical levels with intent, guidance, and a greater autonomy to execute, we capitalize on our greatest asset - the individual.  By sharing our best practices in an environment of greater autonomy, we collaborate to find the greatest answers for an effective and efficient organization.
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"My hope is that eventually authority to approve is more aligned with the echelon that has the responsibility to execute. Therefore less time is spent on following up on requests sent higher allowing the lower echelons to accomplish a mission." Sir, I totally agree. Especially when you are dealing with the authorizations which is based of the MTOE that takes more than a year to change.
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MAJ Ph D Student
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One of the biggest issues with downsizing is the size of the bureaucracy. Bureaucracies are built to compensate for under-performing organizations/people but there comes a time when the system becomes a "self-licking ice cream cone." DOD leaders need to invest in reducing the bureaucratic structure of the services, which will then require fewer bodies.<div><br></div><div>Part of reducing the bureaucracy is changing the rules of hiring and retention of military and civilian personnel. Getting top performers, and retaining them, will allow the organization to be more efficient and effective. That, in turn, allows the structure to shrink because there are fewer rules needed to keep the top performers in check.</div>
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CPT Bill James
CPT Bill James
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We have more flag officers today than in World War II. This clogs the chain-of-command, preventing mission people from communicating and receiving critical resources to adapt to needs. Reduce flag officers to WWII ratios.
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SMSgt Command Evaluator
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Alignment, the bases and Command Staff require a re-alignment of personnel, programs, and services.  Their is to much redundancy, in the layers of Command. that perform similar functions, roles, and responsibilities plus up one staff and eliminate the position not the person.  Align personnel in the areas that require additional resources.  Evaluate the logistic template aircraft, ships, and technology systems that are no longer sustainable or antiquated look at how to phase them out. 
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SSG Jim Handy
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The first thing is to make a concerted effort to retain the very best personnel. I use to hate it when people I thought were awesome soldiers would leave the service. The next thing we need to do is make sure that those top notch soldiers who do leave active duty are given all the information on National Guard and Reserve options. In a time of crisis we need to have these assets easily at hand. I know when I left there was no effort at all to inform about the Guard or Reserves. This process needs to star while they are still in, not after they get out.
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