Posted on Sep 27, 2013
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As the military enters a significant downsizing period, it's important to talk through relevant issues and solutions. &nbsp;Enter your response below, and if it gets the most Up votes, you win a free iPad Mini and we will personally deliver your thoughts to our Advisory Board, which includes retired Generals George Casey and Norton Schwartz, the recent Chiefs of Staff of the Army and Air Force, respectively.<div><br></div><div>Tip: Get all your friends to vote Up your response by the end of the contest on Oct 7, 2013.</div>
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SSG Battalion Career Counselor
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Edited 11 y ago



Eliminate all CONUS based commissaries and replace
with a chain grocery store on military installations (not Wal-Mart).



Remove all civilians that are not prior military
service, from all positions, on all bases, with the exception of teachers,
certified doctors and nurses in hospitals, receptionist do not meet the criteria
to continue service this can be filled by 68 series I’m sure.



Either remove the Military police branch all
together or remove civilian law enforcement from bases. No need to have two
conflicting groups who do not approve of each other’s tactics on a base doing
the same job.



Identify NCO's with substandard NCOER's and remove
them



Identify soldiers with UCMJ in sequential order of
amount received and remove them from the top down.



Identify all soldiers who are overweight and tape
by 6% or more and remove them immediately with a probation period to make
progress



Identify soldiers who security clearances have
been revoked and remove them



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SGT Home Health Care
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I concur 100% with what you are saying here. I am a 68 series and I know for a fact they are considering adding a new EMT-IV category that represents the extra training above and beyond the civilian scope which we receive. I also mentioned in my own post that the PT failures, of which I know some that go for 12 months or longer, need to be out...no more excuses, waivers, and vetoes in favor of manpower numbers or funding issues
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#1.  Trim the fat.  Remove those bottom level performers, those personnel who dont meet the standard, and those who want to get out.  I would much rather retain my top performers along with those who want to be there, instead of forcing those who dont want to be there to stay. 

 

#2.  Remove civilians from any position that a green suiter can fill without compromising combat capability.  Why do we have so many civilians filling positions that Soldiers spend months of training to perform?  Im tired of seeing Helicopter maintainers who spent nearly a year to learn their job cutting grass and picking weeds while civilians (Many of them personnel who got out) drawing a 6 figure paycheck doing their job.

 

#3.  Cut costly programs that we dont need.  If it isnt broke...why are we fixing it.  Do we need another uniform thats not going to be any more effective than the last?  Do we need new rifles when the ones we have have proven their worth over the last 4 decades (Thats arguable either way, but you get my point), do we need to replace the Kiowa if its actually performing its job as we require in combat, do we?

 

#4.  Doesnt it make more sense to send 10 instructors TDY to a post for a school (IE NCOES) then to send 30 students to another post for class?  MTT teams have more than made their point for being a relevant, cost saving way to make sure our Soldiers are staying current on all required training.

 

 

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SSG Infantryman
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Let people go that want to go. A lot of people don't want to be here. Open the door and show it to them. It's not good for squad/platoon/company/battalion morale to have a lot of negativity throughout the ranks. 
We also need to stop looking for reasons to get rid of people. The people that need to go because they're poor soldiers will show themselves and make mistakes. But looking at everyone and trying to find a reason to get rid of any/everyone makes people afraid to do their job. 
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Continue to focus on training. Dont start slacking off because money is "tight." Training officers should stick to training schedules that meet their units METL and expect their NCOs to find innovative ways to develop challanging and realistic training for the troops.
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SSG Rafael Rodriguez
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In short during a downsizing period the military should focus on quality and not quantity, early outs thru some programs, PT fails, QRB boards to mention a few. Soldiers need to be mentored, trained and given the tools to succeed and if that does not work then counseling follows in hopes that will salvage a career, that's what we do as leaders. Soldiers are like an extended family, let's treat them as such, it enhances cohesion thus a better result at the end.
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SSG Ralph Watkins
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Low-tech training needs to increase.  Basic skills.  Realistic training.  More NCO produced hip-pocket training.  More spontaneous training.  The Marines & Navy are increasing training while their budgets are being cut.  The Army from what I can tell is doing more games of looking pretty, following ever changing nit-picky rules, & political directives.  Have your people wear their masks on their side for a normal work day.  Pull NBC drills at random.  Yes, this means wearing battle dress not pretty little Class-B's & such to the normal work day.  This means all branches & all MOS's.  Less officer rules & more NCO directives & training.  Officers better be part of a more warrior type training as well if they are going to be utilized in any operation whether it's combat or a recovery in some world disaster.  A lack of budget shouldn't mean lack of training & spirit.  Do not surrender training to simulations & paperwork shuffles.  Get out, get cold, hot, sweaty, hungry, tired, etc.  It's the military, not the local department store.
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SSG Company Fsnco
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We should raise and enforce current standards. The military has alot of dead weight and poor leadership in its ranks right now due to the prolonged fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq. The man power was a nessary evil, but now its time to raise the bar again. The NCO corps needs to get back to get back to training and mentoring young soldiers, so they can experience the same, if not better leadership we all had. I cannot speak for the officers, but if you guys can create a strict and feasble timeline along with a plan that is the same. the NCO's can take it from there.
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SFC Timothy Mason
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I have been working with the
military for over 32 years of which over 20 of those years have been working
within the recruiting and retention fields both as a military member and as a corporate
professional. I experienced many changes during those times especially the
impact of the draw-down during the 90s as a recruiting and retention
professional. The problem with the military is they do not do anything
moderately. Everything is an extreme action, especially with personnel. A lot
of money is spent during a ramp up, drawing down and then trying to put the brakes on
after the draw down. These extremes, especially those involving a draw-down; provides
the public with a bad impression of the military which results in more spending
to overcome the negative views. There are even problems created within the
military that carry on beyond the draw-down. Young officers that entered the
Army during the draw-down of the 90's had to be reminded after the draw-down to
remind them the draw-down was over. They had become conditioned to put military
members out for minor infractions. I believe because of this, our ability to
actually lead and provide mentorship to young military members also diminished.
The military needs to find the “band of excellence” when it comes to personnel
strength and stick to it. This is the level that is described in the Army’s
Battle Focused Training doctrine (FY 25-101) for training. It is the level where
it is easy and affordable to quickly ramp up during a conflict and draw-down
afterwards. History has shown us that during conflict, especially early on,
Americans are drawn to join the military. This emotion may subside as the conflict
draws out, but this is to our advantage. History also shows there is a natural
attrition at the end of a draw down. Analyst need to use this information to determine
the natural sustainment level for personnel. The bottom level should be not
lower than what our Reserves can naturally handle for a short period during a
ramp up until the active forces can catch up. The reserve forces would be allowed
to return to the reserve state to be ready for any possible additional
conflict. A plan needs to be developed to control the attrition at the end of
the conflict that will guide the military back to the sustainment level.
Creating this model will most likely save money, provide a better public
opinion of the military as an employer, and create a higher state of readiness.
Bottom-line. The military has been ramping up and drawing down since the revolution.
The problem is they always act as if it is a new phenomenon. It may be for the
current leaders, but it is status quo. Let’s finally develop a model that can be used
long-term and stop acting like this is a new requirement. If they need help...call me.

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CPO Jon Campbell
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You are right. My last year in the reserve was spent trying to supervise 14 kids who had been recruited and finished boot camp, but had no place to go. There was no plan on what to do with them and no supervisors for them. There was money and a recruiting goal, but no plan after that. These ramp ups and draw down create long term problems for the service. 
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SFC Information Assurance Ncoic
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<p>Downsizing is going to hurt the military more than help.&nbsp; While downsizing, the board members will be looking at a piece of paper to make their decision and will lose a lot of great soldiers who have done great things for the military but are not necessarily something to capture on an OER or NCOER.&nbsp; </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I could understand if they were first taking all soldier who do not meet standards of their respective branch (h/w, PT test, non deployables,&nbsp;A&nbsp;positive UA&nbsp;and so on), I mean really going back to the pre 9/11 standards where drug use was something that drew a gasp, failing 2 record PT tests would send you packing and h/w standards were strictly enforced.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Since the talk of downsizing has hit the scene i've been seeing an increase in relief for cause NCOER's, verbal threats for reduction or a bad NCOER.&nbsp; It's not even a hidden agenda anymore, leaders are outright with "Operation career destruction" prior to the mention of downsizing "Relief for Cause" was an answer to a board question.&nbsp; Now they are being thrown around like the Army Service Ribbon.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The Army has destroyed itself from the inside when 9/11 happened, it went from "that is a squared away soldier" lets get him promoted to "that soldier is ate up but he doesn't do anything severly wrong so we can't not promote him" to "Automatic promotion?????"&nbsp; Swelling numbers and the need for NCO's forced the Army to force leadership on those who can't lead, the product of that is soldiers that aren't being led, and made leaders that are incapable of leading and those will be the soldiers that are allowed to remain on active duty, while the older generation the products of the old system will be forced out.</p>
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SSG Mike Angelo
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I can see both SFC James and CWO2 Shannons point. Like the Revolutionary War throughout our history and to the present, cost has always plagued our military of shortcommings. To be frank and honest about cost, the American taxpayer is exausted with taxation. The fact is that we cannot afford to sustain an Army or military with such a deficit. That is the reality. It is a no. So our Congress and State legislators have been pretty much, a lame duck in such matters of war and post war. All the while the executive branch direction is to close up the military shop. Those left behind will be the janitors until the next call up IMHO. It is not the Army that destroyed itself as SFC James says. Americans just cannot afford the current army.

Our country owes a great debt of gratitude for those who have served and currently serving. The course is to recondition those systems so that personnel can recondition themselves in adapting to an American society in a proactive and productive manner. This will be long term for the country and for those individuals soon to be veterans.
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SSG Intelligence Team Leader
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Stop this Profession of Arms BS. I'm sick and tired of hearing "back to the basics". If you want professional soldiers in the Army then it has to start in Basic Training and AIT. Soldiers are coming to their first units undisciplined, and entitled. Get back to the basics by doing what BCT is supposed to do, mentally and physically break the individual, start from scratch and build a team-member. Not everyone can make it and not everyone should. A downsized Army needs to concern itself with developing excellent soldiers and not making sure their uniform is correct. If the soldier is disciplined from day one, then it follows that their uniform will be correct.
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