Posted on Sep 27, 2013
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As the military enters a significant downsizing period, it's important to talk through relevant issues and solutions. &nbsp;Enter your response below, and if it gets the most Up votes, you win a free iPad Mini and we will personally deliver your thoughts to our Advisory Board, which includes retired Generals George Casey and Norton Schwartz, the recent Chiefs of Staff of the Army and Air Force, respectively.<div><br></div><div>Tip: Get all your friends to vote Up your response by the end of the contest on Oct 7, 2013.</div>
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COL Dan O'Rourke
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There is plenty of focus on the downsizing of the troops already, let's provide more accountability in the civilian workforce. &nbsp;I'm sure there are plenty of good civilians out there, but let's inject some rationality to the hiring and firing process.&nbsp;
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SSG Retired
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Stop outsourcing the jobs to civilians
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CSM Command Sergeant Major
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This won't be popular with some service members but our most senior leadership at the DoD and JCS need to think about being much more joint than we were prior to OEF/OIF/OND. Combat operations over the last 12 years have shown, for the most part, both how interdependent we are, as well as how well we can operate together when we want/need to. There is likely a lot of cost savings to be realized by leveraging our "jointness." Those of us that lived thru Urgent Fury and Just Cause remember a lot of problems because we operated so independently.

 

I also think it's critical that we recall the lessons learned from the drawdown following the "peace dividend" from the fall of the Soviet Union. We let (nay, encouraged) many of the best and brightest SFC/MAJ mid-grades to leave thru early retirement. They were our future 1SG/CSM and BC's. It took years to recover from that talent exodus.

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LTC Engineer Officer
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Absolutely, CSM. It would be a shame if we use this period of downsizing to go to back to a purely service-focused mindset. As another response noted, there are many ways to gain efficiencies through "jointness" - common equipment for example, or shared schools where possible (we already do this for several MOSs that I'm aware of).
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SSG Terminal Operations Nco
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Amen!!
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MAJ Samuel Weber
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Your on point with your post CSM. We need to focus on keeping and rewarded the most talent Soldiers and actually groom then for the highest positions. Those Soldiers with the most talent will find somewhere else to be talented if the Military doesn't give them any incentive to stay. Even though military pay has become competitive with the civilian sector (finally) it's not enough to keep the best in. The best will want to stay because they are challenged, appreciated by their boss, and get the jobs that keep them excited to serve as a Soldier. Great response CSM.
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Cpl Nathan H.
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From someone who worked in Supply Accounting, sharing saves money. More joint operations mean sharing resources = cheaper missions
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First and foremost we need to revisit the NSS and determine if its the right flavor for US interests and security looking out beyond 2030, we have fallen behind in future tech, R&D, cyber and basic education. Do we really need to prepare for a conventional war against a nation state? (ie; pre-9/11 cold war style) Doubtful... which of the 9 current (and growing) nuke capable nations that we would fight a conventional war against just willingly give up land that we would occupy?.... none... we would have a nuke launched at us before they just gave up sovereign land. The future nation state wars will be fought on/in the cyber and space theater... all non-state irregular adversaries will be fought asymmetrically as we have vs Al Qaeda and the Taliban since 9/11, that means we need a lighter SOF focused ground and air capability for offense and defense for non-state irregular warfare and a robust cyber and space based capability for nation state war. The force needs to be re-aligned and trimmed to provide an affordable, sustainable and realistic capability. Additionally we need to revisit the relevancy of NATO which was built on the premise of the Cold War and the actual utility of the UN. 
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LTC Rob Beidleman
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Don't try to do more with less.  Don't break a downsizing force with stupid unnecessary tasks. Take stuff off the plate- slow down do the stuff that matters
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SFC Sqdn Fsnco
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Thank you so much for saying that Sir. I agree, My platoon spends alot of time already polishing the proverbial excrement.
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LTC Engineer Officer
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I concur. It's time to eliminate the trusty advice: "do more with less." How about we focus on doing less better? A serious look at what the purpose of our military is and a clear definition of the missions we must be prepared for will help us determine what to focus on whether we are in a downsizing period or not. And then the tough decisions are made a bit easier - we cut programs, organizations, and tasks because they do not support our current mission set.
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SPC Matthew Birkinbine
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Completely agreed, sir. Get back to the basics, Train to fight, and Maintain warfighting equipment to fully mission capable capacity.
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TSgt Jack Gee
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I believe we are downsizing in the wrong area's of the government.  Downsizing should be in congress and the senate in their pay, perks and medical benefits.  The Military can take care of their own.
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LCpl Tim Harbison
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How much money are we wasting on civilian contractors that are now doing the work that military personnel used to do? We need to move back toward a self sufficient military that's capable of doing every job that needs to be done.

There is no excuse for using civilian contractors to provide security at military bases. There is absolutely no reason to use civilians to cook in the mess halls. We can do it better and more cost effectively ourselves. 
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SFC Sqdn Fsnco
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What are the MPs and Cooks doing on Military bases if Civilians are doing their jobs?
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CPT Operations Officer
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The problem is that these jobs have been contracted out for the past years. The good thing is that it is starting to change. As we bring troops home, some installations are removing the private security and tasking brigades to provide the support. As far as cooks go.... that's a different story....
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CPT Network Engineer
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Develop a system of checks and balances that forces our government to be more accountable by having OTHER Departments (DOT, DOE, NSA, CIA, DHS, EPA) make similar budget and personnel cuts in order to trim the fat. The military is the only agency that will do as it's told because we took an oath to support and defend the Constitution and obey the LAWFUL orders of those appointed over us (i.e. Commanders, NCA, SECDEF, CINC, etc). This does not mean that we check common sense at the door and turn a blind eye to the rest of the world. If we could get entitlement programs, social security, Medicare to somehow shift &nbsp;more responsibility to the states and less on the federal government, maybe we wouldn't have to pinch pennies on printer paper, toner, and cleaning supplies. The only recourse we have is to try and change things through elections, and it seems every year less and less business gets done. But the cost of living and taxes keep going up.&nbsp;
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SSG Instructor/Writer
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very true......in my 10 tens years in boots I've seen very little accomplished except find our way into every conflict and uprisinf known to man and waste our time and resources on that when there are more pressing issues calling for our attention while our 'elected' officials make blind decisions and stands on various topics that have little to no importance or geared to benefit them or a particular class of people. BLUF as you stated, if Im being held accountable for my actions then I'll be doggone if someone else skates by.
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Lt Col Small Business Liaison/Procurement Analyst
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Take a hard look at the current promotion system and identify those who truly possess leadership qualities to promote and "cut the fat" on the rest. The current promotion system frustrates talent and puts everyone through the same "meat grinder" instead of singling out & promoting those who have demonstrated they are clearly a cut above their peers.
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Capt Brandon Charters
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Sounds like you wrote the book "bleeding talent". Well said Dave.
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Anyone that is not deployable (except for those that are on profiles due to surgery, acute illness pregnancy, ect...), have substandard reports, substandard work performances, substandard anything, should be the first to go. The brightest and the greatest should not be the ones leaving.  Train those that are left with viable skills and civilian certification. Cut down on useless programs. Start charging a $5 no show fee for missed medical appointments. Standardize the medical computer systems service wide, both stateside and overseas. The approved system should be utilized by both the military and VA system. Provide electronic medical records. The money wasted on manpower (to include the military, civil service and contract workers) to copy and maintain paper records is astonishing.  STOP changing the uniforms! There should be ONE uniform for deployment to any one location. The money saved here would be astronomical. If the services want to make the uniform unique, do so in the color of the name/service tapes and/or add patches. Very simple to implement. Use the CAC in its fullest capacity: ID card checks (not just those at the gate which use scanning capabilities already), Medical appointment check-in's, Check-in's for any military and/or veteran (VA system) service that requires you to sign in. The redundancies with the sign in system increase's workload and manning requirements. 

The military should already have process's in place for when there is downsizing. Streamline the process and make sure it is the best one in place. Provide those that are being forced out with the proper training to assimilate to the civilian workforce. For those that have outstanding EPR's and were an asset while in the service, give them first dibs on civil service jobs in their career field. The monetary savings would be in training and retainability. Stop repeating the process of security clearances for military that have just gotten out/retired who are hired for civil service or contract jobs. This is a waste of time. A better system needs to be implemented to fast track the process for those that have a current military security clearance. Thus, saving manpower and money.

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SSgt Timothy Butterworth
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Strip out as much non-war fighter spending as possible and remove programs that do not provide defense at all such as the Chaplaincy!

All funding should be going to the war fighter and national defense! US Military installation do not need golf course and religious institutions they need more firing ranges, more training and a push on professional development! Less members means explicitly more work per member!

All branches need an overhaul on PT and should change it to a more regulated program that builds, Strength, Dexterity and Stamina a martial arts style workout is the bet not just running for a mile or two!
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CPT Aaron Kletzing
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I have to disagree on your point about Chaplains. In the units I've served in, Chaplains played a very important role behind the scenes for our personnel who were having a hard time deal with stress and other personal issues. It's also not uncommon for Chaplains to accompany personnel on patrols, versus just staying inside the wire.
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