Posted on Apr 28, 2017
What issues did you have doing evaluations (OER/NCOER/FITREP) with other services?
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I am currently in a joint billet and will be rated by a Marine and senior rated by a Army officer. What issues have you had when you had other services in your rating chain? What helpful hints do you have for others?
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NCOER
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Joint Service
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I was deployed last year as part of Operation Inherent Resolve. My immediate rater was a Canadian Lt. Col. and my Senior was an American Col. I had no problems at all other than having to walk the Canadian through the dreadful system we refer to as EES.
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I'm in my second joint unit. The first time I had a civilian rater who was prior service Army. Senior rater AF Col. The reviewer of course was an Army officer. That actually went pretty smooth then because the civilian at least had experience with it.
Here - my NCOER last year thru date Sept got submitted in Jan and resubmitted Feb because errors were found, my rater had retired so we had to hand sign it. This year, since no one really had used the new system, it was ridiculous. My rater was a civilian, prior service AF. Senior rater AF Lt Col. So supplementary reviewer Army MAJ. The rater got a lot of guidance from the Army Element SEL - but I still don't know how it took until beginning of this month for me to sign it and get it submitted. The rater said he sent it up through review in September. It got stuck on someone's desk. I think too many people have their hands in NCOERs here. It goes to the rater, senior rater, the directorate SEL, I think the Army Element and some other people. It could have been a little easier had they realized you can put it in EES and print out a draft copy. No they printed one out and sent that through review then typed it into EES because they used the wrong PDF version or something so they couldn't upload what they had done.
I think as long as you have an Army person there it helps. It might help if it hasn't been done that the Army Element or someone who is Army holds a training session for any leadership who has any soldiers they rate or senior rate. Supposedly our SEL is going to hold one I just don't know when.
Make sure your rater understands Army writing and how NCOERs are set up, especially since they changed. Every service writes their evals differently. I've been around mostly Air Force and their EPRs are something else. The Navy evals look pretty straight forward. But I've noticed that what's good in Air Force writing would not be good on a NCOER.
Here - my NCOER last year thru date Sept got submitted in Jan and resubmitted Feb because errors were found, my rater had retired so we had to hand sign it. This year, since no one really had used the new system, it was ridiculous. My rater was a civilian, prior service AF. Senior rater AF Lt Col. So supplementary reviewer Army MAJ. The rater got a lot of guidance from the Army Element SEL - but I still don't know how it took until beginning of this month for me to sign it and get it submitted. The rater said he sent it up through review in September. It got stuck on someone's desk. I think too many people have their hands in NCOERs here. It goes to the rater, senior rater, the directorate SEL, I think the Army Element and some other people. It could have been a little easier had they realized you can put it in EES and print out a draft copy. No they printed one out and sent that through review then typed it into EES because they used the wrong PDF version or something so they couldn't upload what they had done.
I think as long as you have an Army person there it helps. It might help if it hasn't been done that the Army Element or someone who is Army holds a training session for any leadership who has any soldiers they rate or senior rate. Supposedly our SEL is going to hold one I just don't know when.
Make sure your rater understands Army writing and how NCOERs are set up, especially since they changed. Every service writes their evals differently. I've been around mostly Air Force and their EPRs are something else. The Navy evals look pretty straight forward. But I've noticed that what's good in Air Force writing would not be good on a NCOER.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
I think the only issue was when my rater went to upload the PDF it was the wrong one. So it wouldn't upload so he had to type everything in. That's what he told me. But once we got to sign it everyone could sign it but it got kicked back from HRC because somehow my duty MOS didn't get put in. They were confused about who had to delete their signatures so we could fix it and re-sign it.
The biggest problem is the routing and honestly in my opinion I feel we have too many people with eyes on the NCOERs. I brought it up to the directorate SEL (CMSgt) and he didn't really agree. Of course. He's one of the people who looks at them. I think it should go rater, senior rater and the Army SEL should review them to make sure they're written properly and that's it.
The biggest problem is the routing and honestly in my opinion I feel we have too many people with eyes on the NCOERs. I brought it up to the directorate SEL (CMSgt) and he didn't really agree. Of course. He's one of the people who looks at them. I think it should go rater, senior rater and the Army SEL should review them to make sure they're written properly and that's it.
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