Posted on Aug 21, 2019
What is your opinion about correcting deficiencies?
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You’re an NCO and expected to act as such. Since when did it become acceptable to only be an NCO of the unit that you’re in?
You’re walking around on base minding your own business and see a soldier doing something wrong. You walk up to make the corrections and they have the audacity to say, “you’re not my NCO. Don’t tell me what to do.” I’ve even seen the NCO as the problem and make the comments, “leave my soldiers alone”
The discipline and respect in the Army is disturbing!!! Hands in pockets, walking with phones out, no headgear... the list can go on and on.
You’re walking around on base minding your own business and see a soldier doing something wrong. You walk up to make the corrections and they have the audacity to say, “you’re not my NCO. Don’t tell me what to do.” I’ve even seen the NCO as the problem and make the comments, “leave my soldiers alone”
The discipline and respect in the Army is disturbing!!! Hands in pockets, walking with phones out, no headgear... the list can go on and on.
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SSG (Join to see), SSG Brian G. basically spells it out. Its general military authority, as mentioned by SPC Joshua Blotzer and the responsibility of the NCO to make the correction.
These situations arise when that Soldier's leadership fails them. We did not do a good enough job emphasizing customs and courtesies, let alone respect and discipline.
When faced with conflict or correction, many Soldiers get defensive and try to find an 'out'. They knew they were wrong, but did not want to accept that someone else could call them on it that wasn't in their CoC. That is another reason I hate it when Soldier's say 'respect is earned'. It gives them an excuse not to respect NCOs they feel didn't earn their respect, which most NCOs that fall out of their CoC would not have had the opportunity to do. The rank was earned regardless.
The true test of an NCO is this situation right here. The easy way is to give them an amazed look at the sheer ignorance of their comment, maybe make a condescending remark, shrug and walk off.
The hard way is to actually show the Soldier the Army way and do the job of enforcing the standard. It is hard because the regulatory guidance that establishes the standard are not always readily available or known by the NCO and can come from diverse sources such as ARs and post/command policy memos.
It is, and most likely never will be, acceptable to 'brush off' any NCO making a correction regardless of Branch or unit. The only way it becomes culture is if we, the NCOs charged with maintaining discipline and standards, allow it. The only way to prevent it is to train our NCOs to know what is right, do what is right, and enforce the same.
These situations arise when that Soldier's leadership fails them. We did not do a good enough job emphasizing customs and courtesies, let alone respect and discipline.
When faced with conflict or correction, many Soldiers get defensive and try to find an 'out'. They knew they were wrong, but did not want to accept that someone else could call them on it that wasn't in their CoC. That is another reason I hate it when Soldier's say 'respect is earned'. It gives them an excuse not to respect NCOs they feel didn't earn their respect, which most NCOs that fall out of their CoC would not have had the opportunity to do. The rank was earned regardless.
The true test of an NCO is this situation right here. The easy way is to give them an amazed look at the sheer ignorance of their comment, maybe make a condescending remark, shrug and walk off.
The hard way is to actually show the Soldier the Army way and do the job of enforcing the standard. It is hard because the regulatory guidance that establishes the standard are not always readily available or known by the NCO and can come from diverse sources such as ARs and post/command policy memos.
It is, and most likely never will be, acceptable to 'brush off' any NCO making a correction regardless of Branch or unit. The only way it becomes culture is if we, the NCOs charged with maintaining discipline and standards, allow it. The only way to prevent it is to train our NCOs to know what is right, do what is right, and enforce the same.
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Ok, straight off. No. When a person says that they are not in your COC etc... whether junior enlisted, NCO or Officer they are ate the fuck up.
When a service member is in need of correction they need to be and should be corrected by any person of any rank of any branch. There are of course proper ways to do this but the above is just wrong and it seems more than a few need to have their heads taken off and screwed on right.
I mean I have corrected and been corrected by members of various branches and ranks. My blouser had ridden up and a Marine private called me on it. A Sergeant Major was without his cover and I politely point it out "Great day for a haircut Sergeant Major." And he simply smiled and went to retrieve his cover.
Corrections are not and should be restricted to unit and in fact have nothing to do with them.
When a service member is in need of correction they need to be and should be corrected by any person of any rank of any branch. There are of course proper ways to do this but the above is just wrong and it seems more than a few need to have their heads taken off and screwed on right.
I mean I have corrected and been corrected by members of various branches and ranks. My blouser had ridden up and a Marine private called me on it. A Sergeant Major was without his cover and I politely point it out "Great day for a haircut Sergeant Major." And he simply smiled and went to retrieve his cover.
Corrections are not and should be restricted to unit and in fact have nothing to do with them.
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I never had a problem making corrections, my Soldier or another unit.
If their NCO is there, they'd get it, too, for failing to make the correction.
If their NCO is there, they'd get it, too, for failing to make the correction.
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