Posted on Oct 1, 2017
What is the best way to fix a lie on my SF 86 (for a Top Secret clearance)?
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Go see your security manager in the G/S 2 tell them you need to submit a correction to your SF86.. Dont be surprised if it causes a delay in processing, if not an outright denial.
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A1C (Join to see)
Will this not be considered fraudulent enlistment? From what I understand Air Force is very strict on the matter.
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SGM Erik Marquez
A1C (Join to see) - It is what it is...
If you have a TS investigation going its going to be found, might as well get out in front of it..
Additionally, significant difference between a Lie, an omission, and a mistake
Make sure you are using the correct descriptive word
If you have a TS investigation going its going to be found, might as well get out in front of it..
Additionally, significant difference between a Lie, an omission, and a mistake
Make sure you are using the correct descriptive word
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A1C (Join to see) - First - I wouldn't freak out just yet. The reason I asked that question is because the "type" of lie on the SF 86 matters more in some cases than the fact that you did... even though you know it was wrong to do so.
In the Army, as the SGM has already said - our normal process is to go to our S2 and speak with our SSO about submitting an SF 86-C to make corrections/updates to our SF 86.
As a CI guy - the two incidents you just explained regarding the lies aren't something that would cause a major concern from a security standpoint, especially since you're going to try to correct your initial wrong. The anger management portion... did it lead to any felonies? Any jail time? If no, then whatever your precise living conditions were growing up shouldn't really matter 100% in terms of a TS/SCI or SECRET because OPM is more concerned with whether or not you have foreign ties/property/involvement. If the answer to those is "no" then psychiatric/psychological issues aren't disqualifiers, especially if they have been properly treated and addressed.
No one cares about the weed use as long as you're not doing it while you're in so you didn't even need to lie about it and as a matter of fact, had you kept the lie on the SF 86 and tried to do a poly later on and they asked about drug use, you would have screwed yourself because you'd say "no," the paper would say "no," but the poly would say "yes."
Now, this chain took a huge detour off into fraudulent enlistment and such, I wouldn't be too concerned with that. I don't know how the AF handles its internal business, but if I went to my security manager and told him face to face... "Hey, I might have fudged some things on my SF 86 about my living conditions when I was a child," I seriously doubt he'd jump up and inform my entire CoC that I needed to be discharged. Likely, the most that would come out of that is a stern talking to (if even that,) or maybe a DA 4856.
What's good is that you recognize that you are in the wrong and thankfully not majorly so. My advice is to go directly to your security manager, tell him the lies (without making excuses), and get your SF 86 updated. As long as you aren't a terrible airman in other areas, I seriously doubt this is grounds for discharge.
Oh, and stop lying.
Especially on official government documents. There's a UCMJ article for that: Article 107.
I hope this helped.
Good luck.
In the Army, as the SGM has already said - our normal process is to go to our S2 and speak with our SSO about submitting an SF 86-C to make corrections/updates to our SF 86.
As a CI guy - the two incidents you just explained regarding the lies aren't something that would cause a major concern from a security standpoint, especially since you're going to try to correct your initial wrong. The anger management portion... did it lead to any felonies? Any jail time? If no, then whatever your precise living conditions were growing up shouldn't really matter 100% in terms of a TS/SCI or SECRET because OPM is more concerned with whether or not you have foreign ties/property/involvement. If the answer to those is "no" then psychiatric/psychological issues aren't disqualifiers, especially if they have been properly treated and addressed.
No one cares about the weed use as long as you're not doing it while you're in so you didn't even need to lie about it and as a matter of fact, had you kept the lie on the SF 86 and tried to do a poly later on and they asked about drug use, you would have screwed yourself because you'd say "no," the paper would say "no," but the poly would say "yes."
Now, this chain took a huge detour off into fraudulent enlistment and such, I wouldn't be too concerned with that. I don't know how the AF handles its internal business, but if I went to my security manager and told him face to face... "Hey, I might have fudged some things on my SF 86 about my living conditions when I was a child," I seriously doubt he'd jump up and inform my entire CoC that I needed to be discharged. Likely, the most that would come out of that is a stern talking to (if even that,) or maybe a DA 4856.
What's good is that you recognize that you are in the wrong and thankfully not majorly so. My advice is to go directly to your security manager, tell him the lies (without making excuses), and get your SF 86 updated. As long as you aren't a terrible airman in other areas, I seriously doubt this is grounds for discharge.
Oh, and stop lying.
Especially on official government documents. There's a UCMJ article for that: Article 107.
I hope this helped.
Good luck.
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CPO Glenn Moss
SFC (Join to see) - Well put.
I've had a Secret security clearance for three decades, now...nearly my entire enlisted career as a submariner and more than a decades since as a civilian DON employee.
If there are no criminal records, convictions or otherwise, then these issues shouldn't be a problem. Lots of people have a rough life or do stupid things, especially when they're younger, but if there were no criminal records as a result and no further indications of problems in the years since, it's not typically a problem.
What IS a problem to me are the idiots that play roulette with young people's future careers by giving them ill advice in the first place. THAT bothers me.
As a final recommendation: Keep a copy of the SF-86 in your files. It's a valuable record representing a lot of hard work in gathering important information. In the years to come, it will make life much simpler to have this as a record, to which you can simply update with more recent information since the previous SF-86. If you take the lazy way out and just forget about it, or toss it, then you'll have to do all that research all over again every 5 years (TS), or 10 years (Secret).
I've had a Secret security clearance for three decades, now...nearly my entire enlisted career as a submariner and more than a decades since as a civilian DON employee.
If there are no criminal records, convictions or otherwise, then these issues shouldn't be a problem. Lots of people have a rough life or do stupid things, especially when they're younger, but if there were no criminal records as a result and no further indications of problems in the years since, it's not typically a problem.
What IS a problem to me are the idiots that play roulette with young people's future careers by giving them ill advice in the first place. THAT bothers me.
As a final recommendation: Keep a copy of the SF-86 in your files. It's a valuable record representing a lot of hard work in gathering important information. In the years to come, it will make life much simpler to have this as a record, to which you can simply update with more recent information since the previous SF-86. If you take the lazy way out and just forget about it, or toss it, then you'll have to do all that research all over again every 5 years (TS), or 10 years (Secret).
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