Posted on Jun 24, 2016
What do you think of Hawaii requiring gun owners to be recorded into a federal database?
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Beautiful place, too expensive and liberal to live there.
Like California on steroids.
Like California on steroids.
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The Firearms Owners Protection Act is clear on its prohibition against ANY federal database of guns or gun owners.
"No such rule or regulation prescribed [by the Attorney General] after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or disposition be established."
Hawaii’s move is in direct contradiction of FOPA’s mandate.
Oh and NO SUCH LAW in Hawaii exists, it is a proposal at this point..not a law. Thus your title is not accurate
"No such rule or regulation prescribed [by the Attorney General] after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or disposition be established."
Hawaii’s move is in direct contradiction of FOPA’s mandate.
Oh and NO SUCH LAW in Hawaii exists, it is a proposal at this point..not a law. Thus your title is not accurate
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PO1 (Join to see) - (sarcasm-on) I guess that beats spending taxpayer dollars on unimportant things like education and infrastructure. (sarcasm-off)
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MSgt (Join to see)
Hawaii becomes first state to put gun owners in federal database | Fox News
Hawaii signed a bill Thursday to become the first state to enter gun owners into an FBI database that will automatically notify police if an island resident is arrested anywhere else in the country.
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Discussion only and not necessarily reflective of any opinion.
I'll postulate for discussion there continues to be a "database". It isn't called that because all that's maintained are "entries", i.e. the weapon, owner, etc. whenever you fill out the Federal form for the background check. So the "entries" are on a storage medium. Every day more are added and backed up. How do you think they trace stuff used in crimes? I suspect "analytical tool" includes features of tabulation, search, etc. which is the software that would get used to query "entries". So long as the two are not connected (yeah right), they can say they don't have a database. I'd figure the same would be true for phone metadata. There's always "we don't do that" but what gets missed is the "so what do you really do?" An easy way to bypass the FOPA is offshore record keeping by a third party that you'd never find the contract that links it to the Government. Why have a contract when you use Grey Money? Add to that all sorts of non firearms related data about you, then there is an excuse to say "we're not maintaining for the purpose of firearms use". They won't say "we're maintaining a lot of data about you for which a portion is firearms stuff."
So am I a conspiracy theory type? Not really. I was just channeling my "OJ If I Did It mode" while I decide what wine to cork for tonight. I make this point to say for those who declare the provisions of FOPA are absolutely clear, think again. Although it sounds tight, there's plenty of space to drive a Mac Truck through. There always is and that's what lawyers do. Even if it's violated, you'd have to see what the provisions of enforcement are in the Act. If it's a Nothing Burger, then it's begging to be ignored. And if you sued with class action, etc., the Judge would say "What are the damages?" Well, nothing really.... yet. OK, so I'll issue a decree. OK, that just says follow the law. That could get ignored as well. So the penalty for getting caught is a bad PR day in the news cycle at a minimum, always on Friday afternoon after Wall Street closes. Tough seeing what else may happen.
I'll postulate for discussion there continues to be a "database". It isn't called that because all that's maintained are "entries", i.e. the weapon, owner, etc. whenever you fill out the Federal form for the background check. So the "entries" are on a storage medium. Every day more are added and backed up. How do you think they trace stuff used in crimes? I suspect "analytical tool" includes features of tabulation, search, etc. which is the software that would get used to query "entries". So long as the two are not connected (yeah right), they can say they don't have a database. I'd figure the same would be true for phone metadata. There's always "we don't do that" but what gets missed is the "so what do you really do?" An easy way to bypass the FOPA is offshore record keeping by a third party that you'd never find the contract that links it to the Government. Why have a contract when you use Grey Money? Add to that all sorts of non firearms related data about you, then there is an excuse to say "we're not maintaining for the purpose of firearms use". They won't say "we're maintaining a lot of data about you for which a portion is firearms stuff."
So am I a conspiracy theory type? Not really. I was just channeling my "OJ If I Did It mode" while I decide what wine to cork for tonight. I make this point to say for those who declare the provisions of FOPA are absolutely clear, think again. Although it sounds tight, there's plenty of space to drive a Mac Truck through. There always is and that's what lawyers do. Even if it's violated, you'd have to see what the provisions of enforcement are in the Act. If it's a Nothing Burger, then it's begging to be ignored. And if you sued with class action, etc., the Judge would say "What are the damages?" Well, nothing really.... yet. OK, so I'll issue a decree. OK, that just says follow the law. That could get ignored as well. So the penalty for getting caught is a bad PR day in the news cycle at a minimum, always on Friday afternoon after Wall Street closes. Tough seeing what else may happen.
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If such a law does exist, and there isn't a Federal law invalidating that law, I wouldn't like it... however I really don't give a crap if my name is in another Federal database at this point.
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SSgt Jerry DeLaney
"June 23, 2016
HONOLULU (AP) — Hawaii Gov. David Ige (EE'-gay) is signing a bill that makes the state the first to enter gun owners into an FBI database that will automatically notify police if an island resident is arrested anywhere else in the country."
The law does exist. He signed it today.
HONOLULU (AP) — Hawaii Gov. David Ige (EE'-gay) is signing a bill that makes the state the first to enter gun owners into an FBI database that will automatically notify police if an island resident is arrested anywhere else in the country."
The law does exist. He signed it today.
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MSgt (Join to see)
Hawaii becomes first state to put gun owners in federal database | Fox News
Hawaii signed a bill Thursday to become the first state to enter gun owners into an FBI database that will automatically notify police if an island resident is arrested anywhere else in the country.
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You'd think they'd have better things to worry about like what to do about all the bag people on Oahu!!!
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BS that's what I think! So now they know who legally owns guns and can take them away from those people. That's the government over reaching their bondries.
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this has been going on for a while, you travel thru canada to go hunting in michigan, have to register your weapons at customs or not declare them and risk arrest, anyways now a days with the mandatory background check, you dont think its already happening
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