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This crap has been happening for decades and no one has wanted to kill the goose that lays the golden egg. Well, the chickens are coming home to roost!!!!
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I'm not surprised. I think it is behavior that has been occurring for a long time, and people are finally emboldened to lash back out about it. People are learning that they don't have to put up with this type of behavior, and that society is now ready to punish people for it. I just hope our society doesn't overcorrect.
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LTC Kevin B.
SPC Randy Torgerson - When people are immediately skeptical of the accusers, and choose to paint them with a broad brush (as many people are doing), I think that is indeed a form of victim shaming. Instead of just letting the process play out, people who cast them as only seeking money/fame/etc. (simply due to the length of time between the incident and the accusation) are very much attempting to convict them through public opinion.
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SPC Randy Torgerson
LTC Kevin B. - I don't disagree with you. And certainly I'm not saying they are looking for money or something else. I'm saying in our conversation here that its reasonable to ask why or what the motivation is for waiting so long. Does such a lengthy delay in reporting or going public with the accusations give me pause as to the credibility of the accuser? You betcha it does. That sir, is not unreasonable or shaming. Please don't disguise this as shaming the victim simply because we bystanders seek the truth and ask questions about something completely reasonable to ask.
Or do you think no one should question the motives of an alleged victim?
Or do you think no one should question the motives of an alleged victim?
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LTC Kevin B.
SPC Randy Torgerson - I have no problem with investigators probing that potential motivation, and I have no problem with those discussions being held within the courtrooms. However, I do have problems with it being discussed within the broader public domain as a narrative that is designed to delegitimize the accusers, well before they get their day in court. I'm not saying that you specifically are doing that. However, others (on here and elsewhere) are certainly doing that.
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SPC Randy Torgerson
LTC Kevin B. - Thank you for some clarification. I agree with you. And further to be clear, my comments are not for the purpose of de-legitimizing the accusers. Only to discuss and point out that such long waiting times to complain do deserve heavy scrutinization. The public never ever have all the facts and the media only tells us what they want us to know. We all know that the media is not very reliable and usually just tells one side of what they think they know.
This is a public forum for open discussions about what our military and veterans have in they're minds. Its not a place to disparage others. Even if sometimes our members or myself, are not good conveyors of our own thoughts, we don't speak to disparage the alleged victims.
This is a public forum for open discussions about what our military and veterans have in they're minds. Its not a place to disparage others. Even if sometimes our members or myself, are not good conveyors of our own thoughts, we don't speak to disparage the alleged victims.
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Hollywood = sex scandals. Google Fatty Arbuckle, Gloria Grahame, Montgomery Cliff, Roman Polanski, Woody Allen, Pee Wee Herman, etc.
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From what I'm hearing, I wonder if this has something to do with why Hollywood is so politically socialist? There are so many abusers in Hollywood, maybe they feel so guilty about all the things they have done that they want the rich to give to the poor. They feel like they should speak out for all people less fortunate because of how they made their wealth.... Either they abused others to get to the top or they abused themselves to get to the top and they feel so guilty about it. Now they want everyone to "get to the top" to make themselves feel better. Its just a thought....... :)
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As others here have said as well, that such things occur there is by no means surprising. That place has had an inextricably woven fabric with American society, incl. the military for pretty much a century or longer now, the most obvious example being Pres. Reagan, certainly, which quite clearly worked to the advantage of American society, as did Frank Capra, John Ford, Jimmy Stewart, Sterling Hayden, Eddie Albert, and countless others. That being said, great talent frequently also rums hand in hand with great abuses, unfortunately, and, I'm afraid, most likely, always will. It's clearly unfortunate, however, also, at the same time, I'm afraid, most likely unavoidable, despite present day circumstances, I should think. That's not to say that all major actors are like that, by any means, many have not been, certainly, it's just that the unfortunate notoriety of those who engage in such actions will most likely always overshadow those who don't, I'd expect, just some thoughts, I'd be most eager to hear any from all of you, of course, hope was at least of some interest.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Markey
I'm fairly certain he was the basis for the Egan Powell character in the film In Harm's Way....
I'm fairly certain he was the basis for the Egan Powell character in the film In Harm's Way....
Eugene Willford "Gene" Markey (December 11, 1895 – May 1, 1980) was an American author, producer, screenwriter, and highly decorated naval officer.
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The Wings of Eagles - Wikipedia
The Wings of Eagles is a 1957 American Metrocolor film starring John Wayne, Dan Dailey and Maureen O'Hara, based on the life of Frank "Spig" Wead and the history of U.S. Naval aviation from its inception through World War II.[3] The film is a tribute to Wead (who died ten years earlier, in 1947, at the age of 52) from his friend, director John Ford, and was based on Wead's "We Plaster the Japs", published in a 1944 issue of American...
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https://airandspace.si.edu/stories/editorial/hollywood%E2%80%99s-representation-naval-aviation-frank-w-%E2%80%9Cspig%E2%80%9D-wead-and-john-ford%E2%80%99s
Here's the film made about him with John Wayne, who, though an acting icon, always had a major guilt trip about WW2, I'd read....
Here's the film made about him with John Wayne, who, though an acting icon, always had a major guilt trip about WW2, I'd read....
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Frank Wilbur[N 1] "Spig" Wead (24 October 1895 – 15 November 1947) was a U.S. Navy aviator who helped promote United States Naval aviation from its inception through World War II. Commander Wead was a recognized authority on early aviation. Following a crippling spinal injury in 1926, Wead was placed on the retired list. In the 1930s, he became a screenwriter, becoming involved in over 30 movies. He also published several books, short stories...
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