Posted on Nov 11, 2015
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Fast food and other service workers are uniting to demand the minimum wage be set at $15 an hour. They also want a union. What are your thoughts? The personal feelings I have are mixed. Fast food is supposed to be a starter job for most. Of course I don't live in a large city. But then again, most fast food workers I have encountered aren't the sharpest spork in the plastic wrap. What say you?
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MSG Chief Intilligence Sergeant
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Raising minimum wage only serves to remove more incentive for those living in lower than middle class to advance their lives, just like welfare, Medicaid, endless unemployment, the affordable care act, snap, the list goes on, and on, and on. The FACT is that minimum wage jobs aren't supposed to be long term careers, they are supposed to be stepping stones to more, jobs for high school students, kids in collage, people trying to get back on their feet. The more we increase the minimum wage the less value skilled jobs have and the less people will aspire to them. It's rediculas, to raise minimum wage to the levels paid to skilled laborers.
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Sorry I double posted, stupid iPhone!
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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Can the companies reaping billions in profits afford this? Yes, yes they can. The U.S. does not pay every wage in it's borders, that would be their employer.
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SSG Robert Burns
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It is not necessarily true that the cost wouldn't come from the company's profits. Yes they may pass the cost on to the consumer but if the price increase reduces sales then it does in the end come from profits.
For example, if Pizza Hut increased pizza prices by 75 cents and now Dominoes is cheaper; they will lose customers to Dominoes. Which can be much more expensive than paying from profits in the first place.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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Boy was this a blast from the past...
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SSG (ret) William Martin
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I will more home cooked meals. Some restuarants will loose big time.
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CDR Kenneth Kaiser
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Profit is not an evil thing. You need to make a profit to stay in business and it is not necessarily surplus cash either. It can be used for research and development, projects that extend beyond the fiscal year, (e.g. plant expansion, permits, exploration and a host of other things. Some large companies have a very slim profit margin.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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I believe that this is "Unskilled Labor" and should be compensated as such. Generally speaking, that should be the "minimum wage" whatever that number is, whether that is dictated by the Market or by Legislation.

This is opposed to Skilled labor, like the Military, Administrative fields (Secretarial), Trades (Plumbing, HVAC, Mechanical), or anything else that requires a specific training or education to perform.

The concept of a "living wage" is frankly asinine. It's in flux, like the market itself. If you raise the base wage, inflation will rear its ugly head and you will end up with a death spiral. This isn't to say people shouldn't be paid fairly. They absolutely should, but Unskilled Labor jobs (aka Minimum Wage Jobs) are not Careers and should be viewed as "stepping stones" to Skilled Labor or Professions.

A 40 year old person demanding to be paid Skilled Labor Rates (like $15/hr) for Unskilled Labor is like a Private demanding General pay.
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No it should not...!!!!!!!!!  Absolutely the wrong answer!!!!!!!!!   We should conserve the value of the dollar as much as possible during fiscal difficulties.   If decisions are made to federally raise minimum wage across the country we are exercising the right to pay double or triple the cost of commodities we currently pay for (EUROPE is in this crisis already look at GREECE).  Meaning gas will be more expensive and less justified for its cost.  Milk and eggs will cost a months pay... you get the idea.  We have socially accepted that a gallon of gas costs 3 dollars or more per gallon.  That is our fault...shame on us.  The war did not raise fuel costs; Americans frightened over conflict did and we never went back to our leaders to confront them and ask why not since the conflicts have reduced or been eliminated we are paying even more than before when the war started.  I remember when I paid only 98cents per gallon in 1995.  That means whatever the cost in the 20s was it only possibly increased 60%(south Dakota 1923 gas cost about 26.6cents per gallon (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_was_cost_of_gallon_of_gas_in_1920#slide4) in almost 70 years. http://www.randomuseless.info/gasprice/gasprice.html

 The problem I have with consumers is not consumers its the inability of consumers to question their own hard earned dollars compensate the cost of daily functioning.  That is why the gov't sent a simple message approving all the unemployment.  It is cheaper to be on unemployment than actually work and provide a service to the country.  There is serious neglect on the part of our gov't considering raising minimum wages.  It will be a fiscal CHERNOBYL if something like this gets approved over the long term.  I have serious doubts it will change for the better as far as industrial and commercial growth are concerned.  I fear that even more efforts will need to be concentrated on those receiving public program support costing working Americans lots of wasted dollars.

WE SHOULD CONCENTRATE ON THE IMPORTANT ISSUES:  GETTING OUT OF THE NEXT FISCAL NIGHTMARE (COLLEGE LOANS), MAKE HOMEPURCHASING AND SELLING AFFORDABLE AND REASONABLE FOR YESTERDAYS ECONOMY; AND FOCUS MORE ENERGY INTO HEALTHY LIVING HABITS WHILE RELYING ON LESS TECHNOLGY.  Raising a pay scale wont do it.  It will make us more reliant on the gov't for support and less resilient.  We will just continue down a dark path of laziness and hand out mentalities.  Or end up where we are now in the military with new recruits over 35 with multiple profiles probably eventually non deployable because the small (civilian) companies that could have hired them cannot afford too.  So now we are  stuck with an less trainable force and less expeditionary force short term that won't endure a fight.

 

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SSG Gorman,

I'm afraid you've gotten blinded by your emotion and thus, a little reckless... 98 is 368% of 26.6, so the price rose 268% in 70 years.  $3.00 is 306% of 98 cents, so the price rose 206% in 20 years... still much faster, but not nearly the difference you claimed... I still think the minimum wage in general is a Terrible idea, though...

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Thanks SGT O'Neill I was blinded in a fury and have poor math skills at the time....
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SSG (ret) William Martin
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So lets get this straight, Jimmy who is a junior in high school gets a part time job at McDonald's as a crew member is going to make $15 if the minimum is raised?  If this were to happen, I just will decide more wisely on where to shop and cutting out fast food restaurants out of my routine will be reality for me and many others. 
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SFC Maury Gonzalez
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It already backfired in Seattle, they priced themselves out walfare checks and many had to switch to part time hours to keep government handouts and medicaid
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MSgt Daniel Attilio
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I was going to bring up the same article.
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The real sticking point or at least one of them is that people currently making 15 dollars an hour,  should they get a raise consistent with the increase for people making let's say 7.50.   Do they now get $22.50.    I tell you what,   hard working people who devote themselves and make it to 15 on their own WILL be resentful.
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SPC Jeff Whitehead
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I would be resentful of this raise. My own wages have dropped and then froze at 20.00 an hour when they were at 30.00 an hour 5 years ago. During this time i have completed my Associates degree and continue to advance my education and skill set. I do not feel the economy can support this and feel it would be unfair to those of us that are working to improve our positions. 
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SSG (ret) William Martin
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Good job SPC JW for professional and personal development.
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SSG Robert Burns
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This is an amazing video on welath distrobution in America.  I promise you that you will be shocked.  Im not saying I agree with minimum wage but this is absolutely amazing.  Definately worth your time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM

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This was just shocking to say the least.
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SSgt George Brown
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Interesting the amount the rich have been able to gain for themselves in the last 5 years, and how many more poor we have in the same years.  BUT, you can be in the rich side if you find a need that majority has and fulfill it.  My jealousy of someone else's money does not diminish them, it diminishes me.
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What gets me is how the group that is demanding the raise act as if the majority is with them, but there is no way that is possible; there are hundreds of jobs that should see a pay raise instead of those protesting for it (fast food workers).
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MAJ Miller - agreed to a point.  People are forgetting the 2nd/3rd order effects that come with dramatic increases such as a $15/hr minimum wage.  Using the professional athlete model - we also pay on average $75 (or more) per ticket to a NFL game, $8+ for hot dog/hamburger, $6+ for a soda, $10+ for a beer, not to mention parking costs, etc...  so essentially - one person for a day/night out at a NFL game...you will easilly spend $100+ for a single person to attend a game. 

 

Correlate that to a $15/hr fry cook at McDonald's...you'll see the end of dollar value menu's, overall price increases across the board of the menu items.  That's just the fast food industry.  I'm not against an increase for minimum wage - but to essentially double minimum wage...that's pure insanity from an economics standpoint.

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