Posted on Apr 12, 2021
Was the officer's conduct acceptable in the video showing his interaction with the Virginia police?
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Has anyone seen the story out of Virginia about 2LT Caron Nazario. I'm looking for some feedback on his actions and the police reactions. Is this acceptable conduct for an officer in the US Military Has anyone else had this kind of interaction?
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Yes his conduct was 100% acceptable. He did nothing wrong. In fact, police often encourage citizens to pull over into a well lit area if possible, even when being pulled over by the police. There are instances of people pretending to be police as well.
Even if they claim they didn't see the temporary tag in his rear window in the cruiser, they'd have seen it when they got out. So there was no need to go up to him weapons drawn. No need to pepper spray. He was 100% right to say "Can I unbuckle my seat belt" because had he not, they probably would have shot him. Then that cop saying "you're gonna ride the lightning." That cop was looking for a reason to do something.
Also getting release with no charges or a citation - and the one cop got fired. The cops were wrong. He did nothing more than be a black man in a brand new car.
Even if they claim they didn't see the temporary tag in his rear window in the cruiser, they'd have seen it when they got out. So there was no need to go up to him weapons drawn. No need to pepper spray. He was 100% right to say "Can I unbuckle my seat belt" because had he not, they probably would have shot him. Then that cop saying "you're gonna ride the lightning." That cop was looking for a reason to do something.
Also getting release with no charges or a citation - and the one cop got fired. The cops were wrong. He did nothing more than be a black man in a brand new car.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
SFC William Linnell - Who exactly are you responding to on this almost year old thread that got reactivated for some weird reason?
I didn't fail to understand anything in April last year when this happened. The LT didn't escalate anything. The cops were wrong. End of story. Not sure why this is getting dragged up again.
Also no it's not "well no one got shot so who cares?" That's privilege talking right there. Have the day you deserve.
I didn't fail to understand anything in April last year when this happened. The LT didn't escalate anything. The cops were wrong. End of story. Not sure why this is getting dragged up again.
Also no it's not "well no one got shot so who cares?" That's privilege talking right there. Have the day you deserve.
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SFC William Linnell
SFC Kelly Fuerhoff - SFC..Hell I don't remember. Just forget about it. Happy New Year brother.
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SSG(P) (Join to see)
Did you all here in this msg thread see what happened!? He was asking for 1.5 million $.
He got 3,685$ ! Bwahahahaha
Army should’ve gotten rid of him.
He got 3,685$ ! Bwahahahaha
Army should’ve gotten rid of him.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
SSG(P) (Join to see) - Why should the Army have gotten rid of him? He didn't do anything wrong. The cops were wrong and should have been held accountable.
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Was pulling over and cooperating fully with the police, being completely deferential in a desperate attempt not to be shot for being the wrong skin color acceptable conduct for an Officer? Yes. It's pretty much expected for enlisted as well...
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PO1 Charles Smith
" Does the FBI routinely interact with the public at large the way state and local law enforcement do? By that I mean, are they conducting traffic stops, checking out with suspicious individuals, or being the first to arrive at the scene of a critical incident?"
nope as you already knew; this alone is the reason that a police officer needs more training than they currently get.
https://www.fbi.gov/services/training-academy/new-agent-training
I added this since you are too lazy to look up things yourself. I am not going to be your research flunky.
be so kind as to read what I think is a minimum that a police officer needs earlier in the thread before responding more. As a logistician I would expect you to do better than this.
nope as you already knew; this alone is the reason that a police officer needs more training than they currently get.
https://www.fbi.gov/services/training-academy/new-agent-training
I added this since you are too lazy to look up things yourself. I am not going to be your research flunky.
be so kind as to read what I think is a minimum that a police officer needs earlier in the thread before responding more. As a logistician I would expect you to do better than this.
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CMSgt Ron Meade
PO1 Charles Smith - The FBI does not receive more law enforcement training than most large city, and state departments. Their training is in a whole nother ball game. Sorry, dealt with their agents on and off for 30 years as a State Trooper. Arrogance abounds in their organization, with the exception of some stellar Agents I had the privilege to work with in Missouri.
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PO1 Charles Smith
CMSgt Ron Meade - I will abide and bow to your experience. I still think police officers either need to be separated into response types or receive more training and ongoing training.
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CMSgt Ron Meade
Didn't say I agreed with that officer response at all. I, like you, think it was a little ramped up, probably because the LT didn't stop in a timely matter. It was understandable, but on the other side, you start getting hinky thoughts when a violator refuses to pull over. I wouldn't have brought my ego into this fight, as it appears the officers did, so I agree with your prognosis. Just not about the FBI. Stay safe, my friend.
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Considering that the military officer was released at the scene and was not charged, coupled with the fact that the police officer was fired after the internal investigation, I can't fault the young Lieutenant. I probably would not have reacted the same way, but then again, I have never faced being pulled over and treated so suspiciously like that.
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SFC Craig Titzkowski
Someone shot an unarmed vet on Jan 6th 2021 no one talks or asked the question when did the guy that pulled the trigger feel his life was in danger. Watch the video and honestly answer the question as a trained soldier when would you feel your life was in danger in that event and what would have you done
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TSgt James Warfield
SrA John Monette - He didn't drive slowly with hazard lights flashing, He didn't obey the commands of the officer. These very same group of people who are getting gunned down more then ever because we have taken the side that people can just disobey a command.
Every shooting gets investigated. 99 % of the shootings are because someone disobeyed a command given by a law enforce officer.
Also check the FBI stats, more white men our shot in the a same period as blacks the only difference it the news media, and whites aren't marching in the street against the use of force.
I am very scared and troubled that so many military people are not looking at facts. The police officer was fired I am sure because of PC and nothing more. These kind of actions, just divides this country and races even more. It's interesting that the Video I watched on this incident was narrated by and ex Black Police officer and military veteran, who looked at it with facts and logic and came to the conclusion that the Lt should not be in the military, I agree. That the officers did do some minor procedures wrong, and he said minor. But he believed they handled it right. The narrator's ( and I agree ) saw a not a scared person but smug person, who was using not only his rank as military officer but his race to challenge the officers.
Every shooting gets investigated. 99 % of the shootings are because someone disobeyed a command given by a law enforce officer.
Also check the FBI stats, more white men our shot in the a same period as blacks the only difference it the news media, and whites aren't marching in the street against the use of force.
I am very scared and troubled that so many military people are not looking at facts. The police officer was fired I am sure because of PC and nothing more. These kind of actions, just divides this country and races even more. It's interesting that the Video I watched on this incident was narrated by and ex Black Police officer and military veteran, who looked at it with facts and logic and came to the conclusion that the Lt should not be in the military, I agree. That the officers did do some minor procedures wrong, and he said minor. But he believed they handled it right. The narrator's ( and I agree ) saw a not a scared person but smug person, who was using not only his rank as military officer but his race to challenge the officers.
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TSgt James Warfield
CW4 (Join to see) - thanks for the video, but people will still now days take the side of the man who shot the officers.
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MSgt Brian Williams
TSgt James Warfield - Black men have been shot or killed by police while eating ice cream in his living room, complying with commands, not complying with commands, shot in the back, holding a cell phone, informing the police that there was a weapon in the vehicle but not in his hand, killed during a raid at the wrong house, and walking home from work in a snow storm. So if you find fault with a Black man trying to protect himself and the officers by driving to a well lite area before stopping. That's on you. Only thing I would have done is called 911 and tell the dispatcher to tell the officers that I was driving to a well lite area put my flashers on as I drove - slowly. I would do that only because my son is a LEO and I've done ride alongs with him and seen it happen. Everyone went home and no one was fired.
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