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*Update: Things aren't looking too good for the home team.* Hillary Clinton. The name itself evokes both dislike and adoration in millions of people. Like her or not, it is undeniable that both she, and many of her actions, are controversial. From Whitewater and Vince Foster to "dodging sniper fire" to negotiating with the Russians for American urianium and Benghazi to her current woe: Emailgate. Can someone who is currently the subject of a criminal investigation effetively campaign? That is, she's bound to be asked questions about her numerous scandals that she'll undoubtedly decline to answer. Won't that create or perpetuate the image of an untrustworthy candidate?
The question is: Should Hillary end or suspend her campaign while she is under criminal investigation?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/08/us/politics/second-review-says-classified-information-was-in-hillary-clintons-email.html?_r=0
The question is: Should Hillary end or suspend her campaign while she is under criminal investigation?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/08/us/politics/second-review-says-classified-information-was-in-hillary-clintons-email.html?_r=0
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She should quit until a full and impartial investigation is complete. National security should come before anything else!
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It is interesting to me that the Feds are investigating Mrs Clinton, when so many other things done within the Federal Government were not. It is no secret that there is no love lost between the President and the Clintons.
Having said that, this has to be run to ground. There are obvious security violations pertaining to classified material, and a good probability some or all of it was compromised. This implies a high degree of incompetence, hubris, and attempting to evade public scrutiny.
Knowing these answers will do much to determine if Mrs Clinton is fit to be President.
Having said that, this has to be run to ground. There are obvious security violations pertaining to classified material, and a good probability some or all of it was compromised. This implies a high degree of incompetence, hubris, and attempting to evade public scrutiny.
Knowing these answers will do much to determine if Mrs Clinton is fit to be President.
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SFC Jeff L.
1SG (Join to see) Unfortunately I think there are so many other things having to do with Benghazi that there isnt' enough evidence to indict her on that this is the best chance of holding her accountable (in part) for her role in that debacle. As mentioned elsewhere on this thread it's highly unlikely she'll be indicted though since she happens to have a sympathetic AG. No way the prez will allow Hillary to be charged and risk having his own involvement scrutinized in the process.
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SFC Jeff L., what I think about Benghazi is that there was an ongoing covert operation going on there - it is pretty apparent by the type of personnel present - and that when it was compromised a fairly clumsy cover story was distributed. There is plenty of smoke there, but not necessarily illegal. One would scrutinize and find fault with decision makers on their response and have plenty of leg to stand on.
At issue here is the clear attempt to evade archiving and scrutiny of correspondence by solely utilizing a personal and unregulated server located in a private and unsecured site. I would think that the MAJORITY of correspondence sent and received by a sitting Secretary of State would be classified just because of the level of the recipient/sender. Things as simple as travel plans would be secret. Nevermind intelligence estimates or diplomatic dispatches from the various embassies.
No, this is naĂŻve at best, purposeful at worst. Much more likely that it is the latter.
At issue here is the clear attempt to evade archiving and scrutiny of correspondence by solely utilizing a personal and unregulated server located in a private and unsecured site. I would think that the MAJORITY of correspondence sent and received by a sitting Secretary of State would be classified just because of the level of the recipient/sender. Things as simple as travel plans would be secret. Nevermind intelligence estimates or diplomatic dispatches from the various embassies.
No, this is naĂŻve at best, purposeful at worst. Much more likely that it is the latter.
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SFC Jeff L.
1SG (Join to see) Yes it does appear that there were quite a few things wrong with the original scenario, but I would argue that running arms to Syria via Libya is the legal and moral equivalent to the DoJ's Fast and Furious, and shouldn't be overlooked or dismissed as not necessarily illegal simply because of a lack of proof. Or, more likely, lack of proof being released or acted up on. I'm hoping she'll be held accountable (not rewarded) for her actions as Sec State.
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SFC Jeff L., I'm a little older, but this is very much like Iran-Contra back in the 80s. The parallels are so obvious you'd think some old timers would kibosh it just based on the outcome of that operation.
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The country needs a course correction, we have gone to far to the left to the point of socialism which has never worked well for economic prosperity. It might seem like a great idea to tax the hell out of the wealthy but with current gov. spending if you took all of the money from any one who has more than 1 million dollars it would run the gov. for about 2 weeks.
Many peoples retirements are tied to stocks and bonds of the fortune 500 so taxing corporation in the end hurts small investors and the everyday people who work for them. This is why I can never support the Democrats.
Many peoples retirements are tied to stocks and bonds of the fortune 500 so taxing corporation in the end hurts small investors and the everyday people who work for them. This is why I can never support the Democrats.
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COL Ted Mc
SSG John Erny - Staff; FYI, of the fifteen top countries with the OECD "Better Life Index" (the US ranks as #6) fourteen of them would fit the common American definition of "socialist". When you knock the (rough average) $500 per month cost of health insurance off the average household disposable income, you find that the US average household disposable income doesn't look all that great when compared to that of the people who live in countries with "socialized medicine" (although, even then, it IS $541 per year higher than the second highest average annual disposable income). [NOTE - Nine of the fifteen are Monarchies.]
http://www.businessinsider.com/top-countries-on-oecd-better-life-index-2013-5?op=1
When you look at the top ten countries for "Quality of Life" (the US ranks as #4) you will find that nine of them would fit the common American definition of "socialist".
http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-quality-of-life-map.html
PS - The country with the world's largest economy is DEFINITELY "socialist".
Make what you will of the real data.
http://www.businessinsider.com/top-countries-on-oecd-better-life-index-2013-5?op=1
When you look at the top ten countries for "Quality of Life" (the US ranks as #4) you will find that nine of them would fit the common American definition of "socialist".
http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-quality-of-life-map.html
PS - The country with the world's largest economy is DEFINITELY "socialist".
Make what you will of the real data.
The 15 Countries With The Highest Quality Of Life
Where life is good.
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SSG John Erny
COL Ted Mc - Sir, I agree that there are elements of socialism in place in this country, and some are needed to support the elderly and disabled. The question that has to be asked in the other countries that score better than the US is how much of their work force is fully engaged to contribute to the common pool to support them. The US has a lot of people that are idle be it because they are a product of welfare or unwilling to work.
The other side of socialism is more gov. power and disreguard for the constitution.
The other side of socialism is more gov. power and disreguard for the constitution.
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COL Ted Mc
SSG John Erny - Staff; I don't think that I quite understand your question.
Are you asking if "socialism" only works when there is work for all?
It is true that the US has a lot of people that are idle. Some of that is because they simply were never taught "work skills" (NOT the same thing as "job skills")
I'm sure that you have experienced the difference between a soldier who doesn't know what to do but is willing to do it, shows up on time, accepts instruction, and tries their best and a soldier who is an expert but isn't willing to get off their duff, never shows up when they are supposed to, doesn't accept instruction, and puts out the absolute minimum amount of effort. If I were to offer you a platoon made up exclusively of one type or the other, which one would you pick?
Are you asking if "socialism" only works when there is work for all?
It is true that the US has a lot of people that are idle. Some of that is because they simply were never taught "work skills" (NOT the same thing as "job skills")
I'm sure that you have experienced the difference between a soldier who doesn't know what to do but is willing to do it, shows up on time, accepts instruction, and tries their best and a soldier who is an expert but isn't willing to get off their duff, never shows up when they are supposed to, doesn't accept instruction, and puts out the absolute minimum amount of effort. If I were to offer you a platoon made up exclusively of one type or the other, which one would you pick?
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SSG John Erny
COL Ted Mc Sir, I would have to go with Type A personality. These are the kinds of people that make great soldiers and get things done. They also tend to advance in the ranks.
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Clinton said she will NOT apologize for her emails & repeated she never sent or received any information marked "Classified". She also stated this issue is not a criminal investigation but rather a security investigation being played up by her opponents. She has turned over @32000 pages from her server. So to summarize Clinton says this is only a temporary distraction from her campaign to re introduce herself to the voters.
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SFC Jeff L.
I'm thinking that she doesn't get to define the nature of the investigation. When the FBI is involved it's no longer a "civil" case or a misdemeanor, or even a security investigation. And as far as her testimony as to whether or not she sent or received classified information? Well, prison is full of innocent people. Just ask them. Or ask the IRS. They investigated themselves and discovered...wait for it...they didn't do anything wrong. The only real mystery is why there hasn't been an indictment yet.
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Sgt Tom Cunnally
SFC Jeff L. . Mrs Clinton is now calling on her husband to discuss her emails & the war on women by the Republicans. I don't understand how voters would want the Clintons back in the White House.. But this should be good material for Saturday Night Live...
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yes and she should be in prison for a whole lot of different reasons guilty guilty guilty
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I voted no. Just because I don't support Hillary doesn't mean she shouldn't be allowed to run for President. We've had other people who were/are under investigation/indicted. Rick Perry for instance.
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The biggest question still unanswered is: "What positive thing has she accomplished"? She is all about dishonesty and deception.
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She's a scumbag. Her entire history is filled with underhanded, despicable, and cut throat activities.
She is the purest definition of a 2 faced politician. I can't believe she can even be vetted to run for President, let alone receive endorsements, funding, and political backing.
She is the purest definition of a 2 faced politician. I can't believe she can even be vetted to run for President, let alone receive endorsements, funding, and political backing.
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