Posted on Apr 5, 2015
Unsat Leaders are at every level! We've all seen it, what situation really got your goat?
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I'm sure you've heard the phrase from a leader "Check down, not up!" or "Do as I say, not as I do!"
What was the worst case of double standard that you witnessed - that you actually saw, not talking about a story you read or heard about - interested in that leader that was a walking/talking hypocrite that out expectations of others and did not keep themselves! You do not have to include names but a description of the event would be great.
Have you ever had the leader that expected you to do PT and they'd show up with a cup of coffee, we've all seen it! Is that the worse situation? Hey, don't forget to check down, not up...now move out and execute, give me a call at the house when you are done, as long as its not too late - it's movie night with the family.
What was the worst case of double standard that you witnessed - that you actually saw, not talking about a story you read or heard about - interested in that leader that was a walking/talking hypocrite that out expectations of others and did not keep themselves! You do not have to include names but a description of the event would be great.
Have you ever had the leader that expected you to do PT and they'd show up with a cup of coffee, we've all seen it! Is that the worse situation? Hey, don't forget to check down, not up...now move out and execute, give me a call at the house when you are done, as long as its not too late - it's movie night with the family.
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Ha! There were so many!!
1. A PLT SGT falling out of runs, telling me to take over. Then I see her telling at others because they did. She was notorious about that.
2. Having a male battle buddy. Always assumed there was something more than just that. Then finding out the senior ranking NCO was having sexual relations with a junior NCO. (SAME PLT SGT)
3. Taking the vehicle to go to chow. But my married NCOIC was allowed to take the vehicle at night to visit whatever hoochie momma he was saying at the time.
4. Volunteering to go on convoy's because I'd much rather get shot at then stay at my FOB with the hypocrites. When I finally had to be put on anxiety medss, I couldn't do convoy's anymore. I got into trouble for volunteering and now got into trouble for not being able too.
5. Dealing with those that were "Mason". I strongly disagree that any soldier should be in such group. A SGT threatens to kick my ass. I told get to bring it only to get into trouble later from another fellow Mason member because I disrespected her. No, I didn't get into trouble.
There are so much more
Not showing up for morning PT...
Showing up drunk in the morning.
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1. A PLT SGT falling out of runs, telling me to take over. Then I see her telling at others because they did. She was notorious about that.
2. Having a male battle buddy. Always assumed there was something more than just that. Then finding out the senior ranking NCO was having sexual relations with a junior NCO. (SAME PLT SGT)
3. Taking the vehicle to go to chow. But my married NCOIC was allowed to take the vehicle at night to visit whatever hoochie momma he was saying at the time.
4. Volunteering to go on convoy's because I'd much rather get shot at then stay at my FOB with the hypocrites. When I finally had to be put on anxiety medss, I couldn't do convoy's anymore. I got into trouble for volunteering and now got into trouble for not being able too.
5. Dealing with those that were "Mason". I strongly disagree that any soldier should be in such group. A SGT threatens to kick my ass. I told get to bring it only to get into trouble later from another fellow Mason member because I disrespected her. No, I didn't get into trouble.
There are so much more
Not showing up for morning PT...
Showing up drunk in the morning.
Fraternization
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Yes he really did. On several occasions before he was busted. Actually got upset with me once because I had taken the vehicle to go to chow and wasn't back in time. So new rule was we had to walk to chow and he could use it whenever he wanted.
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SGT (Join to see) anyone claiming to be a Mason and acting as you say they did is acting in an unmasonic manner. I wish 1. I had known you then and 2. I had been a Mason then...because I would have helped you and opposed those of my brothers who were acting foolish.
Now, having said that, there are what are called clandestine groups, that claim to be Masonic, but have no right to claim such...it's possible you may have encountered that as well. If you are interested in hearing more about this, send me a PM with a good personal email address, and I'll email you back, and answer any questions you have....that I am able to answer.
I've also seen quite a bit of misbehavior in military-controlled lodges even when they were legitimately Masonic, and if this is the case I deeply apologize for the actions of my brethren. They were wrong.
Now, having said that, there are what are called clandestine groups, that claim to be Masonic, but have no right to claim such...it's possible you may have encountered that as well. If you are interested in hearing more about this, send me a PM with a good personal email address, and I'll email you back, and answer any questions you have....that I am able to answer.
I've also seen quite a bit of misbehavior in military-controlled lodges even when they were legitimately Masonic, and if this is the case I deeply apologize for the actions of my brethren. They were wrong.
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There is a management theory that states people rise to the level of their incompetence. That is they get promoted because they did a reasonable job until they get to the level where they run out of competence. And there they stay and until they seriously f*ck up, they are there for life. This is why these people get in the "do nothing" mode as to "not try" also equals "not fail".
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CSM Michael J. Uhlig
I believe in the military culture, we will do whatever we can to make the mission successful, and many times that means carrying those leaders that ought not be carried, then they get passed along to the next higher rank SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.
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FUMU! Seen it at every level. It's like nails on a chalkboard. "We'll lets move this SM up to a higher level staff position with strong subordinates to get them out of our unit, they won't be a bother/burden to us then." Even on deployments. I saw my boss give some really good positions away to more than less deserving Os and Es just to get them out of our operations. Then the icing on the cake is watching them receive an award AFTER all the FUs and moves. We had one O in Iraq come back to us after 3 different jobs because no one wanted him due to his incompetence and he still got a Bronze Star. WTF??
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CSM Michael J. Uhlig
Unfortunately MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca, what you describe is very often the case, then the people around that sub-par performer gets promoted based on the merits of their subordinates, we end up carrying that individual and pay for it in the end when it is finally understood that they've been promoted well past their potential!
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