Posted on Feb 14, 2014
The Navy's 8-point patrol cap-- does it look better than the Army's?
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Some historic perspective; at least one Army unit wore a similar pointed cap during WWII. It was most famously worn by the 11th Airborne Division which was in the Pacific Theater. In this configuration, it was referred to as a "Swing Cap" after Division Commander MG Joe Swing.
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SSG (ret) William Martin
That looks like an expensive time piece if it was orginal and not a replica.
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1SG(P) (Join to see)
As a practical matter from a soldier who doesn't tan but burns, I'd rather see us universally adopt the "sun hat". It's a more functional hat for fatigues than either billed cap.
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CW2 (Join to see)
i'd perfer that too, flatten the brim out. prior to 9/11 our infantry brigade was issued those and wore them all the time.
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One of my issues with the Army Patrol Cap is it's form and appearance. Unlike a ball cap style, it does not fit naturally to the head. Unlike the 8-point style, it does not have enough of its own form to maintain shape. By regulation, it can not be formed (i.e. Ranger rolls, etc). Because of its weak form, it's appearance is never uniform. Like UCP, it seems to be a compromise cap not good at either fit or form.
What are your thoughts on a ball cap style for the combat uniform? It would be more uniform in appearance, but admittedly less formal. (last time I checked, combat wasn't a formal event). For occasions where professionalism dictates a more formal appearance (ceremonies, in public, etc) the beret is already an option, even in the combat uniform.
What are your thoughts on a ball cap style for the combat uniform? It would be more uniform in appearance, but admittedly less formal. (last time I checked, combat wasn't a formal event). For occasions where professionalism dictates a more formal appearance (ceremonies, in public, etc) the beret is already an option, even in the combat uniform.
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SPC David Shaffer
Sir, I totally agree. Bringing a better fit to the uniform and cap would be something all soldiers would appreciate.
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CPT (Join to see)
Agreed the beret has the potential to be a more formal headgear for garrison, but that's if soldiers actually take pride in the it, shave it and shape it. Sadly far too often when it was standard garrison wear, I saw far too many muffin tops.
I personally think the boonie hat is the most practical patrol/field head gear. Keeps the sun off the neck and ears. Great for those in the sun all day.
I personally think the boonie hat is the most practical patrol/field head gear. Keeps the sun off the neck and ears. Great for those in the sun all day.
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Also known as the utility cover, SFC Baber, and I think it DEFINITELY looks better.
Marine version and Army PC, to go along with 2LT Deitemeyer's Navy 8-pointer for comparison.
Marine version and Army PC, to go along with 2LT Deitemeyer's Navy 8-pointer for comparison.
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LTC Yinon Weiss
Interesting you chose a picture of two Marines firing a rocket, and two Army people typing on a laptop . Subconscious selection?
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SSG Andrew Dydasco
Sir, you have a point, but it was actually just the best close-up examples I found that still illustrated both designs from front/side view, while on an actual Soldier/Marine, rather than a photo of just the cover itself.
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LTC Paul Labrador
Army cap has history too. It's lines are based on the Kepi worn by soldiers during the Civil War.
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CW2 (Join to see)
its a mac too so it probably is his personal, altho the public affairs use them doing multimedia
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