Posted on Dec 13, 2015
So......What are your thoughts on Micro chipping all REFUGEE's no matter what country they are from?
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Okay, so I know this sounds really crazy, but why not?
UPDATE: I found an article on microchiping and frankly it seems to have good uses and somewhat makes sense.
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/08/30/is-there-microchip-implant-in-your-future.html
What if there was a simple way to micro chip....and once vetted, the chip can come out.
All refugee's will have to be finger printed, DNA put on file and micro chipped. Everyone will have to check in once every two weeks....either by signing in online or calling in to report their status and where about's. This way we can keep track of them and we can verify they are telling the truth when they check in.
No matter what country they are coming from.....and those coming here on VISA's of any kind....
This way, we have a file on them...we can monitor them
Yeah, yeah yeah....there are those that are going to say this is against their constitutional rights, but guess what?!?! They are not citizens, therefore they have not rights.
Anyway, let's hear it! What say your RP members?
UPDATE: I found an article on microchiping and frankly it seems to have good uses and somewhat makes sense.
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/08/30/is-there-microchip-implant-in-your-future.html
What if there was a simple way to micro chip....and once vetted, the chip can come out.
All refugee's will have to be finger printed, DNA put on file and micro chipped. Everyone will have to check in once every two weeks....either by signing in online or calling in to report their status and where about's. This way we can keep track of them and we can verify they are telling the truth when they check in.
No matter what country they are coming from.....and those coming here on VISA's of any kind....
This way, we have a file on them...we can monitor them
Yeah, yeah yeah....there are those that are going to say this is against their constitutional rights, but guess what?!?! They are not citizens, therefore they have not rights.
Anyway, let's hear it! What say your RP members?
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Why should the US be taking any at all. Other Arab nations are not. Once those countries take their fair share of "refugees", then maybe the US could.
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MCPO Roger Collins
The so-called refugees have been and will be accepted by nearby Muslim countries. The reason they don't is citizenship is not part of the deal and limited bennies. Most are economic refugees and go for the best deal. That isn't a legitimate reason for refugee status. As for the basic question, once anyone sets feet on USA soil, they are able to use our Constitutional rights. That is one primary concern regarding GITMO detainees being tried here.
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Sgt Kelli Mays
MSgt (Join to see) I totally agree, but since they are being crammed down our throats by obama, we don't have a choice.
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Other Arab nations well when you are leaving a war torn region to try and have a better life with better treatment, jobs and all round human rights you do not go from one third world country to another. That would be counter productive to a better life. Having said that we should be able to monitor all immigrants but microchips well we are still talking about people.
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Sgt Kelli Mays I don't feel that it's the right thing to do to those people. I think something like that would do our country's reputation of freedom, more harm than good. That would be playing right into ISIS hands, that we are cruel and unfair to refugees. I'm all for DNA and proper vetting, but not put a microchip in them. From what I understand, any foreigner who enters our country legally, are kept track of by the CIA and FBI.
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Sgt Kelli Mays
SGT (Join to see) - As it is now...most don't want to get involved...then you have the opposite end of people who are busy bodies and watch everything. If everyone is watching and reports any suspicious activity, we're going to need a lot more police personnel to check up on it.
I was sitting at my favorite Starbucks...they have really comfortable couches and playing Christmas music when I could not help over hear (not ease dropping) a group of kids talking about this and one kid brought up the chip and they all discussed it. I've been thinking about it since.
Life is so complicated these days.
I was sitting at my favorite Starbucks...they have really comfortable couches and playing Christmas music when I could not help over hear (not ease dropping) a group of kids talking about this and one kid brought up the chip and they all discussed it. I've been thinking about it since.
Life is so complicated these days.
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SGT (Join to see)
Sgt Kelli Mays, That's amazing the kids actually think about what's going on. They're our future leaders, scientists, etc. we need to protect them from any harm, Mentally or physically. I wonder, if deep down, they are a little scared to go to school? Life is a lot more complicated since we were kids. That's for sure. But, we still used fireplaces to cook our food. Lol
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Sgt Kelli Mays
SGT (Join to see) - Here is an interesting article about Micro chips I just found.
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/08/30/is-there-microchip-implant-in-your-future.html
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/08/30/is-there-microchip-implant-in-your-future.html
Is there a microchip implant in your future? | Fox News
Microchip implants like the ones pet owners use to track their dogs and cats could become commonplace in humans in the next decade.
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Sgt Kelli Mays, So it sounds like a 50/50 win lose situation. I mean it sounds logical for what it's being used for, but if I had a choice, I wouldn't do it. If there's even a slight chance it could be hacked, I'm not in. Hackers would come up up with a formula just to prove they can. It is interesting though. My dog has an implant.
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I think that would be a waste of money to micro chip all refugees coming into this nation from Syria specifically and wrong for those refugees from areas which are not the result of radical Muslims terrorizing people Sgt Kelli Mays.
I concur with fingerprinting and DNA samples from every refugee which comes into this nation.
I concur with fingerprinting and DNA samples from every refugee which comes into this nation.
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SGM David W. Carr LOM, DMSM MP SGT
I think that there should be a registry that includes DNA for all US Citizens not just members of the military and criminals.
The registry could be used to find deadbeat parents that place a major burden on government court systems and agencies.
So if your DNA does not come back in the system then you are in this county without authorization and subject to deportation or criminal action.
If you want to visit the US for business or pleasure. You should be required to provide a DNA sample and fingerprints
Improved Facial and retinal scans to assist the identification process.
The registry could be used to find deadbeat parents that place a major burden on government court systems and agencies.
So if your DNA does not come back in the system then you are in this county without authorization and subject to deportation or criminal action.
If you want to visit the US for business or pleasure. You should be required to provide a DNA sample and fingerprints
Improved Facial and retinal scans to assist the identification process.
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Sgt Kelli Mays
LTC Stephen F. the problem is radical muslims are not just from Syria. They are from all over from many different countries....not just the middle east.
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A great way to create another government agency and spend more tax payer money just to keep track of them. That would be a Hell No!
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Sgt Kelli Mays
But if we are letting them in, their must be a way in place of proper vetting and keeping some kind of track of them. The big problem I see is the manpower to do that monitoring. Big government always likes to create more government and this would eventually turn into more spending.
But if we are letting them in, their must be a way in place of proper vetting and keeping some kind of track of them. The big problem I see is the manpower to do that monitoring. Big government always likes to create more government and this would eventually turn into more spending.
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Sgt Kelli Mays
MSgt (Join to see) - I think we do things half ass and ass backwards. We should not be letting them in until they are vetted, so since we are doing it backwards, I feel there should be some sort of monitoring system in place till they are vetted, then they are free to go on their merry way.
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Sgt Kelli Mays
Not sure I really have faith in the vetting process. We are always told the background checks don't work and aren't enough to stop gun violence. But now we are told they will be just fine for vetting the refugees, a lot of mixed messages wouldn't you say. So who do you think will be saddled with the monitoring of these individuals? And will it really prevent anything from happening? Seems the FBI and DHS already have their hands full.
Not sure I really have faith in the vetting process. We are always told the background checks don't work and aren't enough to stop gun violence. But now we are told they will be just fine for vetting the refugees, a lot of mixed messages wouldn't you say. So who do you think will be saddled with the monitoring of these individuals? And will it really prevent anything from happening? Seems the FBI and DHS already have their hands full.
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That way we could identify their remains after they blow themselves up. Good idea for record keeping.
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Capt Seid Waddell
Sgt Kelli Mays, TSgt Christopher Hicks, not sure how microchips would be of any use in tracking down potential terrorists; you have to have them already in hand to read the chip, and fingerprints and eye scans will also provide positive ID in that event. The microchips could provide positive ID in what remains of a suicide bomber though, if the chip can be found.
Perhaps microchips are not the first line ID method, don't you agree?
Perhaps microchips are not the first line ID method, don't you agree?
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Micro chipping individuals is against the civil liberties in which we serve to defend. Also if we're gonna recommend finger printing refugees and immigrants then we should mandate all citizens be finger printed in law enforcement databases; otherwise, none of these topics should be discussed nor encouraged by any politician.
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Sgt Kelli Mays
MAJ James Woods they don't have civil liberties, they are not citizens of the US....and yes, I believe all citizens should be finger printed and have their DNA on file....I do...my job requires it or I'm out of a job.
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MAJ James Woods
I question your statement that refugees don't have civil liberties. Why not? Just cause you're a refugee doesn't make you a criminal or slave. They're victims of a political nature; usually a result of war, all the more reason to ensure their civil liberties as human beings are protected.
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Sgt Kelli Mays
MAJ James Woods - maybe they do have civil liberties, but they should be watched and kept track of till they can be fully vetted.
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Sgt Kelli Mays
MAJ James Woods - If I were from some country that falling apart and had no where to go and some country said "hey, we'll take you but this is what you have to agree to" I would say ok. I would understand that that country just wants to be sure of me and keep their citizens safe...and that it's only a temporary thing and once I'm vetted it will be removed. I do not see it as a big deal.
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We'll essentially microchip ourselves when the music, internet, and communications technology becomes so "good" people will want it. It's like a dependent drug. Who knows what voices the hackers will put in your head? You see it now with kids that can't let go of their "iPacifier".
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Sounds good in theory, but no... It would be just a waste of finances and resources since the microchip can be removed by the refugee anyway unless it is quite invasive... And if there is an adverse affect? We own that refugee now... And what would the punishment be for those who didn't comply? We wouldn't send them back to a war zone, nor would we arrest them as we requested/allowed their presence, and they are not criminals... It would be much easier to make them all Americans, or, do what we should be doing in the first place, which is effectively vetting refugees who enter the US so we wouldn't have to "track" them....
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Sgt Kelli Mays
MSgt Curtis Ellis yes, but if chip is removed, they will be hunted down and deported out of the country immediately.....and why not? we send them back to their country...whether in a war zone or not....if they cannot comply, then that's the consequence. they can take it or leave it.
I'm not for making them American's.....there needs to be a time period...maybe 5 or 10 years....and if they stay out of trouble and be financially sound and responsible, then they can apply.
I'm not for making them American's.....there needs to be a time period...maybe 5 or 10 years....and if they stay out of trouble and be financially sound and responsible, then they can apply.
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MSgt Curtis Ellis
Sgt Kelli Mays - I hear what you are saying, but our society would not allow it as it would be considered inhumane and definitely not politically correct... We don't have "laws" regarding chips and even if we did, the UN would have to buy off on it, then there's that whole "discrimination" aspect and what would be considered punishment, (especially when we start using this technology on our inmates) and no, we wouldn't send them back to a land where they are being persecuted as that would make us guilty of murder especially after inviting them here and ...... yes, this can go on and on... The bottom line is that we (US) need to get off our lazy asses and do what we should be doing in the first place, which is effectively vetting ALL refugees who enter the US and finding an effective way to track them. Hell, we are having a hard time tracking our own released ex-cons who are suppose to be checking in...
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Might as well microchip everyone in the country, it's ridiculously easy to travel here on a tourist visa... if you want to get into country, that is the way to do it. The only reason for a terrorist to come here as a refugee would be to make it more difficult for your enemies to come here and be accepted as refugees.
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