Posted on Jun 16, 2015
Sikh Wins Court Case To Join ROTC: Is this a victory for religious freedom or did the court go too far?
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A Federal Judge has ruled that Iknoor Singh's adherence to his Sikh faith - wearing facial hair, keeping his hair long, but wrapped in a turban, and carrying a sharp knife on his person - would not diminish his capacity to serve the nation he loves, the United States of America, as a future Officer in the United States Army. Do you feel too many allowances are being made for his faith or do you feel he should be welcomed into the ranks if he can successfully fulfill the requirements for Commissioning? What say you, RP?
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(Note: Full article added by RP Staff.)
MINEOLA, NY — A Sikh college student from New York said Monday he is excited about a federal court decision that will permit him to enroll in the U.S. Army's Reserve Officer Training Corps without shaving his beard, cutting his hair, or removing his turban.
U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson issued the ruling Friday in Washington, D.C., saying 20-year-old Iknoor Singh's adherence to his religious beliefs would not diminish his ability to serve in the military.
"I didn't believe it at first when I heard about the decision," said Singh, who lives in the New York City borough of Queens.
He told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Monday: "It was kind of surreal. This is something I have been fighting for for two or three years. I'm excited and nervous; very excited to learn."
Singh, who will be a junior next fall studying finance and business analytics at Hofstra University on Long Island, said he has had a lifelong interest in public service. He speaks four languages — English, Punjabi, Hindi, and Urdu — and he said he wants to work in military intelligence.
"Becoming an officer is not an easy thing," he conceded. "You have to be proficient in many areas."
Sikhism, a 500-year-old religion founded in India, requires its male followers to wear a turban and beard and keep their hair uncut.
Under a policy announced last year, troops can seek waivers on a case-by-case basis to wear religious clothing, seek prayer time or engage in religious practices. Approval depends on where the service member is stationed and whether the change would affect military readiness or the mission.
Currently, only a few Sikhs serve in the U.S. Army who have been granted religious accommodations.
In her ruling, Jackson said, "It is difficult to see how accommodating plaintiff's religious exercise would do greater damage to the Army's compelling interests in uniformity, discipline, credibility, unit cohesion, and training than the tens of thousands of medical shaving profiles the Army has already granted."
Army spokesman, Lt. Col. Ben Garrett, said in a statement the decision is currently being examined. "The Army takes pride in sustaining a culture where all personnel are treated with dignity and respect and not discriminated against based on race, color, religion, gender and national origin," he said.
Hofstra spokeswoman Karla Schuster said in a statement that the university "supports Mr. Singh's desire to serve his country, as well as his right to religious expression and practice. We are pleased that the courts have affirmed that he can do both as a member of the ROTC."
Gurjot Kaur, senior staff attorney for the Sikh Coalition, said the decision was "an important victory in the fight for religious freedom. We urge the Pentagon to eliminate the discriminatory loopholes in its policies and give all Americans an equal opportunity to serve in our nation's armed forces."
The American Civil Liberties Union and a group called United Sikhs jointly represented Singh in the case.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/sikh-student-queens-clear-join-army-rotc-article-1.2259423
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(Note: Full article added by RP Staff.)
MINEOLA, NY — A Sikh college student from New York said Monday he is excited about a federal court decision that will permit him to enroll in the U.S. Army's Reserve Officer Training Corps without shaving his beard, cutting his hair, or removing his turban.
U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson issued the ruling Friday in Washington, D.C., saying 20-year-old Iknoor Singh's adherence to his religious beliefs would not diminish his ability to serve in the military.
"I didn't believe it at first when I heard about the decision," said Singh, who lives in the New York City borough of Queens.
He told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Monday: "It was kind of surreal. This is something I have been fighting for for two or three years. I'm excited and nervous; very excited to learn."
Singh, who will be a junior next fall studying finance and business analytics at Hofstra University on Long Island, said he has had a lifelong interest in public service. He speaks four languages — English, Punjabi, Hindi, and Urdu — and he said he wants to work in military intelligence.
"Becoming an officer is not an easy thing," he conceded. "You have to be proficient in many areas."
Sikhism, a 500-year-old religion founded in India, requires its male followers to wear a turban and beard and keep their hair uncut.
Under a policy announced last year, troops can seek waivers on a case-by-case basis to wear religious clothing, seek prayer time or engage in religious practices. Approval depends on where the service member is stationed and whether the change would affect military readiness or the mission.
Currently, only a few Sikhs serve in the U.S. Army who have been granted religious accommodations.
In her ruling, Jackson said, "It is difficult to see how accommodating plaintiff's religious exercise would do greater damage to the Army's compelling interests in uniformity, discipline, credibility, unit cohesion, and training than the tens of thousands of medical shaving profiles the Army has already granted."
Army spokesman, Lt. Col. Ben Garrett, said in a statement the decision is currently being examined. "The Army takes pride in sustaining a culture where all personnel are treated with dignity and respect and not discriminated against based on race, color, religion, gender and national origin," he said.
Hofstra spokeswoman Karla Schuster said in a statement that the university "supports Mr. Singh's desire to serve his country, as well as his right to religious expression and practice. We are pleased that the courts have affirmed that he can do both as a member of the ROTC."
Gurjot Kaur, senior staff attorney for the Sikh Coalition, said the decision was "an important victory in the fight for religious freedom. We urge the Pentagon to eliminate the discriminatory loopholes in its policies and give all Americans an equal opportunity to serve in our nation's armed forces."
The American Civil Liberties Union and a group called United Sikhs jointly represented Singh in the case.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/sikh-student-queens-clear-join-army-rotc-article-1.2259423
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Sure, give him the victory, but allow him to attend OCS and prove himself, but drop him for failure to adapt.
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How loud do you have to scream promask before they unfuck this??? Wtf is wrong with our leadership these days? Im all for equality i even like Indians....i just got my a.a.s. and there was three of them in class with me great guys ....only eat veggies.....but regulations are there for a reason.....hope he doesn't encounter any chemical attacks.....
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Lt Col (Join to see)
Seems this guy still managed in the gas chamber.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=125142736
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=125142736
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The way I see it the military is continuing to be an ALL VOLUNTEER force. Our requirements are secretive, they are also very public. With this said my personal view is it takes a hack at the force. We all play by the rules when it comes to dress and appearance. Prior to joining I sported some facial hair in which I was mildly attached too and not to mention a faddish hair doo, I wanted to be apart of the best military force on the face of the Earth so I sacrificed that to join. I get that this is a little different since it pertains to faith, but it isn't that much different because this young man is not being forced to join.
I feel that service to country requires certain personal sacrifices, and in this case if he wanted to join he should conform to the regs. If he doesn't because he holds his faith strong enough there are other avenues he can serve our country, from civil service, Red Cross, and all the other organizations out there that are supporting the cause, the warfighters, and so on. just my .02 though. I think that it is referred to as 2 cents because its not enough to buy anything or make a serious difference.
I feel that service to country requires certain personal sacrifices, and in this case if he wanted to join he should conform to the regs. If he doesn't because he holds his faith strong enough there are other avenues he can serve our country, from civil service, Red Cross, and all the other organizations out there that are supporting the cause, the warfighters, and so on. just my .02 though. I think that it is referred to as 2 cents because its not enough to buy anything or make a serious difference.
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This is old stuff--military has long made select religious accommodations, including for Sikhs...might be the first time for HS ROTC, but the services do have precedent.
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Anyone who wants to serve should be allowed to serve.
But the Army also has standards.
What we should look at are the standards.
If the standards, in this case shaving, are flexible, and they're not only flexible in religion, shaving profiles too, then maybe the standard needs to be revised.
I do not think religious persons should be given special treatment. We should allow religious practices that don't hinder the Armies mission, or good order and discipline.
But the Army also has standards.
What we should look at are the standards.
If the standards, in this case shaving, are flexible, and they're not only flexible in religion, shaving profiles too, then maybe the standard needs to be revised.
I do not think religious persons should be given special treatment. We should allow religious practices that don't hinder the Armies mission, or good order and discipline.
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What ever happen to uniformity in the ranks. I'm all for religous freedoms, becuase I serve to defend them, but damn. What if, I felt it was my religious right to carry a concealed firearm in uniform, becuase I feel persecuted as a Christian? It is after all my 2nd amendment right, just like this guy carring a knife and wearing what ever he wants. For the record, I believe the only personnel that should be authorized to demonstrate their religious preferance in uniform should be Chaplians, and even then it shouldn't be an overt demostration. A badge would be fine.
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PO1 Glenn Boucher
Well that could be a good thing, then he might have a better understanding of the military fraternity and how others feel about things. No one here is being disrespectful, at least as I have seen so far, so what is the problem of him reading what people comment here? Unless he is easily butt hurt.
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Maj Mike Sciales
He's a ground breaker as so many great Americans are. We are a nation slow to come to the table about all the good and value added evolving American soldiers bring. When I travel I can't really tell in an international airport who might be an America. The bulky white/black guys with shaved heads and goatees are easy, so are the guy wearing big American Flags on their chest T shirts. It's all the others. I think we need soldiers who look like anybody from anywhere. Old White guys just don't really get it done anymore and nothing wrong with Old White guys (me being one) but we have to put aside pride and play to our strengths.
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Maj Mike Sciales
I go to the Middle East regularly and I travel with friends from there. I see what people there look like. They look like us. We have people from every country on the planet living here. We have a resource we've yet to tap to it's fullest potential. We need more Arab soldiers, but also Indian & Pakistani & Chinese & Korean and every other immigrant wave. I'd be having my recruiters scooping up Syrians coming in as refugees. People come here because they believe we are still the greatest nation on the planet and if we treat them right and make them welcome they assimilate and serve with pride and distinction. Remember the 442nd Regimental Combat Team? All Japanese, most decorated unit ever. Just because somebody is a Muslim or Arab doesn't mean that defacto cannot be patriotic and dedicated Americans. John Shalikashvili immigrated to the US from Communist Poland in 1952 and moved to Peoria, Illinois. He learned English watching movies as a kid and became the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in 1993.
If we want to defeat our political enemies we must have soldiers who understand them. Immigrants have fought in all our wars -- with distinction and we should be grateful to have them continue.
If we want to defeat our political enemies we must have soldiers who understand them. Immigrants have fought in all our wars -- with distinction and we should be grateful to have them continue.
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