Posted on Jun 16, 2015
Sikh Wins Court Case To Join ROTC: Is this a victory for religious freedom or did the court go too far?
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A Federal Judge has ruled that Iknoor Singh's adherence to his Sikh faith - wearing facial hair, keeping his hair long, but wrapped in a turban, and carrying a sharp knife on his person - would not diminish his capacity to serve the nation he loves, the United States of America, as a future Officer in the United States Army. Do you feel too many allowances are being made for his faith or do you feel he should be welcomed into the ranks if he can successfully fulfill the requirements for Commissioning? What say you, RP?
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(Note: Full article added by RP Staff.)
MINEOLA, NY — A Sikh college student from New York said Monday he is excited about a federal court decision that will permit him to enroll in the U.S. Army's Reserve Officer Training Corps without shaving his beard, cutting his hair, or removing his turban.
U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson issued the ruling Friday in Washington, D.C., saying 20-year-old Iknoor Singh's adherence to his religious beliefs would not diminish his ability to serve in the military.
"I didn't believe it at first when I heard about the decision," said Singh, who lives in the New York City borough of Queens.
He told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Monday: "It was kind of surreal. This is something I have been fighting for for two or three years. I'm excited and nervous; very excited to learn."
Singh, who will be a junior next fall studying finance and business analytics at Hofstra University on Long Island, said he has had a lifelong interest in public service. He speaks four languages — English, Punjabi, Hindi, and Urdu — and he said he wants to work in military intelligence.
"Becoming an officer is not an easy thing," he conceded. "You have to be proficient in many areas."
Sikhism, a 500-year-old religion founded in India, requires its male followers to wear a turban and beard and keep their hair uncut.
Under a policy announced last year, troops can seek waivers on a case-by-case basis to wear religious clothing, seek prayer time or engage in religious practices. Approval depends on where the service member is stationed and whether the change would affect military readiness or the mission.
Currently, only a few Sikhs serve in the U.S. Army who have been granted religious accommodations.
In her ruling, Jackson said, "It is difficult to see how accommodating plaintiff's religious exercise would do greater damage to the Army's compelling interests in uniformity, discipline, credibility, unit cohesion, and training than the tens of thousands of medical shaving profiles the Army has already granted."
Army spokesman, Lt. Col. Ben Garrett, said in a statement the decision is currently being examined. "The Army takes pride in sustaining a culture where all personnel are treated with dignity and respect and not discriminated against based on race, color, religion, gender and national origin," he said.
Hofstra spokeswoman Karla Schuster said in a statement that the university "supports Mr. Singh's desire to serve his country, as well as his right to religious expression and practice. We are pleased that the courts have affirmed that he can do both as a member of the ROTC."
Gurjot Kaur, senior staff attorney for the Sikh Coalition, said the decision was "an important victory in the fight for religious freedom. We urge the Pentagon to eliminate the discriminatory loopholes in its policies and give all Americans an equal opportunity to serve in our nation's armed forces."
The American Civil Liberties Union and a group called United Sikhs jointly represented Singh in the case.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/sikh-student-queens-clear-join-army-rotc-article-1.2259423
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(Note: Full article added by RP Staff.)
MINEOLA, NY — A Sikh college student from New York said Monday he is excited about a federal court decision that will permit him to enroll in the U.S. Army's Reserve Officer Training Corps without shaving his beard, cutting his hair, or removing his turban.
U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson issued the ruling Friday in Washington, D.C., saying 20-year-old Iknoor Singh's adherence to his religious beliefs would not diminish his ability to serve in the military.
"I didn't believe it at first when I heard about the decision," said Singh, who lives in the New York City borough of Queens.
He told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Monday: "It was kind of surreal. This is something I have been fighting for for two or three years. I'm excited and nervous; very excited to learn."
Singh, who will be a junior next fall studying finance and business analytics at Hofstra University on Long Island, said he has had a lifelong interest in public service. He speaks four languages — English, Punjabi, Hindi, and Urdu — and he said he wants to work in military intelligence.
"Becoming an officer is not an easy thing," he conceded. "You have to be proficient in many areas."
Sikhism, a 500-year-old religion founded in India, requires its male followers to wear a turban and beard and keep their hair uncut.
Under a policy announced last year, troops can seek waivers on a case-by-case basis to wear religious clothing, seek prayer time or engage in religious practices. Approval depends on where the service member is stationed and whether the change would affect military readiness or the mission.
Currently, only a few Sikhs serve in the U.S. Army who have been granted religious accommodations.
In her ruling, Jackson said, "It is difficult to see how accommodating plaintiff's religious exercise would do greater damage to the Army's compelling interests in uniformity, discipline, credibility, unit cohesion, and training than the tens of thousands of medical shaving profiles the Army has already granted."
Army spokesman, Lt. Col. Ben Garrett, said in a statement the decision is currently being examined. "The Army takes pride in sustaining a culture where all personnel are treated with dignity and respect and not discriminated against based on race, color, religion, gender and national origin," he said.
Hofstra spokeswoman Karla Schuster said in a statement that the university "supports Mr. Singh's desire to serve his country, as well as his right to religious expression and practice. We are pleased that the courts have affirmed that he can do both as a member of the ROTC."
Gurjot Kaur, senior staff attorney for the Sikh Coalition, said the decision was "an important victory in the fight for religious freedom. We urge the Pentagon to eliminate the discriminatory loopholes in its policies and give all Americans an equal opportunity to serve in our nation's armed forces."
The American Civil Liberties Union and a group called United Sikhs jointly represented Singh in the case.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/sikh-student-queens-clear-join-army-rotc-article-1.2259423
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The military has the policies that are in place to ensure the good order and discipline of the whole for a reason. They are there to separate, so there is no conflict in the ranks regardless of beliefs or religion and to maintain uniformity. Those policies should remain in place and should not be altered unless the rules change for everyone the same way. If not then i believe that i shouldn't have to shave or cut my hair as well.
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CPT Pedro Meza
PO2 Anthony Reichelt, please reads history:One of the earliest Sikh soldiers in the American military was one Bhagat Singh Thind, who although not a U.S. citizen joined the United States Army and served in World War.
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PO1 (Join to see)
CPT, I fail to see you're point, If we are to continue to make exceptions to the rules then the military needs to for all religions. My point being as I started, we are all held to the same standers no mater what branch you are in http://www.npc.navy.mil/bupers-npc/support/uniforms/uniformregulations/Pages/default.aspx and each branch having tailored to them. Religions should play no part in the military when it comes to standards that are expected to be upheld for all. So in that case because I am Christian I feel that since Sunday is our rest day, that I should not have to be on duty or stand watch and that I get to go to church every Sunday even in battle.
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Just other. I see it like this:
If a woman can wear her hair long and it has to be put into a bun, Then the long hair should be no problem for any military member. It would be absolutely hysterical to see men in buns tho... LOL
There are a lot of soldiers that I saw that had no shaving profiles... This could fall into that.
The only thing I really might have an issue and it really isn't a great big one, is that he can't wear the SM hat. That he is only capable of wearing the turban. The only problem for me. EH
If a woman can wear her hair long and it has to be put into a bun, Then the long hair should be no problem for any military member. It would be absolutely hysterical to see men in buns tho... LOL
There are a lot of soldiers that I saw that had no shaving profiles... This could fall into that.
The only thing I really might have an issue and it really isn't a great big one, is that he can't wear the SM hat. That he is only capable of wearing the turban. The only problem for me. EH
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At the end of the day this is an issue of citizenship, not military code. As a citizen of the United States his right to freely express his religious preference and the exercise thereof is constitutionally protected. We all know that when we volunteered to serve we give up these rights as military personnel and chose to live under military regulations, code, law and justice. While he certainly has the right to exercise his faith, he has no right to subjugate, alter, change, adopt or otherwise subvert the military to suit his religious preference, and a federal judge should know better!
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I was watching the new season of Orange is the New Black and it had a similar sub plot. The inmates were unhappy with the food so they all started claiming to be Jewish so they could get special Kosher meals.
If I were still on active duty, I'd claim that my religion also requires long hair and beards.
I would also have a hard time listening to this potential officer if he was telling me to fix something on my uniform.
If I were still on active duty, I'd claim that my religion also requires long hair and beards.
I would also have a hard time listening to this potential officer if he was telling me to fix something on my uniform.
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Maj Mike Sciales
I've seen Sikhs in uniform. Don't worry, they are tight within regs and can outsoldier the bulk of soldiers.
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If he can not comply with the gas mask sealing he should not be allowed.
On the hair thing I would treat it the same a the women's restrictions.
That he has a special cover is BS.
He can not remove that cover when indoors, again BS.
I say no to active service unless he complies with military standards.
The shaving that was mentioned for other soldiers that exists is a medical profile not a choice.
Soldiers are not allowed to wear rwliligios items where visible so he should not as well.
On the hair thing I would treat it the same a the women's restrictions.
That he has a special cover is BS.
He can not remove that cover when indoors, again BS.
I say no to active service unless he complies with military standards.
The shaving that was mentioned for other soldiers that exists is a medical profile not a choice.
Soldiers are not allowed to wear rwliligios items where visible so he should not as well.
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SGT Joe Sabedra - So...what part of that specifically says "Jewish"? Because it says "religious headgear", not "yamulke".
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SGT Joe Sabedra
CPT Williams none specifically.
It's all interpritation by the reader.
We could wear religious items as long as not visible.
Necklace etc except for rings.
A Jewish head gear can be covered by the Standard military cover.
This head gear shown can not.
I understand they are making exceptions but I don't think they should.
Similar to my comments on women in combat jobs.
One standard. No exceptions.
It's all interpritation by the reader.
We could wear religious items as long as not visible.
Necklace etc except for rings.
A Jewish head gear can be covered by the Standard military cover.
This head gear shown can not.
I understand they are making exceptions but I don't think they should.
Similar to my comments on women in combat jobs.
One standard. No exceptions.
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SGT Joe Sabedra
Religion is a choice.
You can change your religion all you want if you want.
It's akin to what's going on around us now in our own civilian society.
You can change your religion all you want if you want.
It's akin to what's going on around us now in our own civilian society.
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SGT Joe Sabedra
Captain William you look to possibly be a pilot.
Could you wear your proper flight head gear and mask if you were of this religious faith?
Could you wear your proper flight head gear and mask if you were of this religious faith?
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No it is a victory for common sense - other nations (like you know India, have Sikh serving without an issue - the chemical warfare gear issue is a freaking smoke screen. I have been to India on business a fair number of times. One of my business associates is a Sikh who was a Major - he had no issues with a gas mask - it worked just fine.
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So while Christians have to remove crosses because they offend and Jews have to settle for whatever the Army decides its willing to do, ie, more kosher MRE, essential rabbis in combat areas especially over the dead, etc, it seems that religious freedom is only given if politically correct.
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SGT Allison Churchill
Granted, it's been a few years since I was in, but I seem to remember a lot of people wearing crosses in uniform. Has that changed since 2009?
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CPL Sharon Fahey
Crosses, St. Christopher's, etc could not be seen but had to be worn under the uniform top, unlike a beard, turban, or other physical characteristic that can not be worn out of sight. Doesn't compare.
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