Posted on Apr 19, 2016
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So, there is this connotation that beards are unprofessional. This may have been true at one point, but no one can really argue that this is true today: statistically, bearded men get paid more and are preferred for management. Now here is the issue: beards used to be common in the military, but now is the exception to the rule (as a religious factor- and that is only in the Army!) In other works, if you are Sikh and enlist in the USMC, good-bye facial hair- you are just like anyone else...

The entire purpose of the clean shave was to ensure you could get a good seal on your gas mask, which is why you look at history and see those glorious beards and mustaches. In the early 1900s, it was stated that this facial hair will kill you, because you cannot get a good seal on your gas mask... While recently (allegedly) it was proven (by the Army) to be a non-factor in getting a good seal- I cannot confirm nor deny that this happened- but it does beg the question: if facial hair is a non-issue as it pertains to warfare, then why is it an issue?

Although I approve of the current policy, I wonder- if an Army Sikh officer can get a good seal on a gas mask with a full beard, then why can't the rest of us? I mean, it's not exactly tradition to have a clean shave; just look at a list of the Commandants! So... is it really unprofessional to have a beard, or is it a matter of being hard to regulate? And if it is it a matter of regulation, is it simply a lack of empathy on the subject? Keep in mind I don't care either way; I will maintain a clean shave because I look weird if I don't, but when you cut out tradition, and history, and practicality... It just doesn't make sense. Your thoughts, ladies and gents...
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SGT William Howell
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Not only should you have beards, but everyone should be issued skinny jeans, and deep Vee t-shirts. There should be a barista training class in that ridiculously long bootcamp. Maybe cut out shooting and replace it with, "How to make the perfect lotta."

You realized that the Marines are the only branch left that actually are encouraged to kill the enemy. Why do you want to screw that up? Who the hell is going to go to Helmand if the Marines get as soft as the Air Force? What if they start demanding PXs and living suites all because you wanted to grow facial hair!
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MSgt Devon Saunders
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First of all...Pump your brakes on the notion that my United States Air Force is soft! That’s like me stating the Marines are a bunch of uneducated killers. It just isn’t true! Killers? Yes. Uneducated?? Nah. Have pride without the insults.
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SFC Observer   Controller/Trainer (Oc/T)
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Weird. For the branch with the second smallest amount of actual combatants. You can’t get soft when you’ve always been soft.
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SSgt Dawson Webb No the military wasn’t and neither was America. Most of our founders were deists. Hence the reason for separation of Church and State. Brush up on history bubba. Nice try though.
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1LT William Clardy
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Why would you find a female Jewish chaplain notably weird, GySgt Dawson Webb?
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LCpl Ronnie Padgett
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We are different, we stand alone, the few, the proud, why would we want to dumb down.
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Cpl Bill Broom
Cpl Bill Broom
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I grew a beard after my active duty time. Still have it. However, not up to the CORP standards to have one while in uniform (except for Special Forces, etc.)
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LCpl Ronnie Padgett
LCpl Ronnie Padgett
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Cpl Jacob Rogers - Why would i be a moron, i don't know when you served but beards were not allowed when i was in...are you one of them new school Morons. Also i stand behind my words. Jacob
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LCpl Ronnie Padgett
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listen as a civilian if you want to live your life by all means live it, but while on active duty your live isn't your own, it belongs to whom ever you are serving with, now if there are Marines on this post active duty with a beard you went in the wrong branch.
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SGT Xenophon Garcia
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How would you seal your gas mask, if you have a beard?
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SGT Richard H.
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There have been a ton of arguments for and against beards, like the gas mask thing, etc., but I would hang my hat on this one:

u·ni·form
ˈyo͞onəˌfôrm/
adjective
adjective: uniform
1. not changing in form or character; remaining the same in all cases and at all times.
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MAJ Bn S1
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Do you all have the same haircut? If not not uniform. Do some have a mustache and others not? Then not uniform. A beard would not make you out of uniform if regulations allowed it.
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MAJ Bn S1
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CW3 Eye Bobojed and how does a beard stop you from performing that mission?
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SGT Richard H.
SGT Richard H.
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Bottom line for me: When I was in the Corps, we worked around Navy personnel, who, at the time, were authorized to wear a beard once they reached the Petty Officer ranks. Nearly every Marine I knew thought it looked unprofessional...other than the few that were jealous of it. My opinion hasn't changed on that, with the exception of a few special operations missions where it is deemed useful to either blend with a society or look non-military.
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Cpl Henry Busby
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Wasn't an issue for me because I didn't really have to shave until I was damn near 30. But at the same time we would come off patrol with so much mud on our faces that you couldn't tell. I'm an old fart and actually wonder, what does it matter?
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