Posted on Feb 5, 2014
LTC David S. Chang, ChFC®, CLU®
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This has been a controversial one. First a caveat, I am chairman of the Hawaii GOP and a member of the RNC so I clearly have my opinions.<div><br></div><div>But there has been past controversy of soldiers speaking out in uniform and getting in trouble. There are laws where there is clear separation, but where does it interfere with our first amendment rights?</div><div><br></div><div>Should military personnel be able to express their personal political views? Should the active component hinder political involvement?&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>*I am adding some comments below as an edit to clear up any confusion there may be on why I am asking this questions.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><span style="color: rgb(77, 77, 77); font-size: 12px;">...My question was whether or not speaking at all while on active duty should be allowed in order to prevent mistakes from happening where military get caught like General McCrystal did. He was an awesome general and could have offered much more but some political off hand comments he made makes it on the front page of rolling stone and he was out. From what I understand what he said was in confidence and not in his capacity.</span><div style="color: rgb(77, 77, 77); font-size: 12px;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(77, 77, 77); font-size: 12px;">I am in the guard so I can hold the position I do now, but when on orders, my staff and state cmte know that I will not respond or do things that violate my orders. I will not mix the two up.&nbsp;<br><div><br></div><div>I am a big believer that the lines between the military and civilian sector should be separate and the civilian side with the authority over the military like our constitution grants. This is why Lincoln fired McClellan and Truman fired MacArthur, both generals were out of line regardless of what you think of their military strategy.</div><div><br></div><div>My question had nothing to do with being in uniform, but how much we can get involved to prevent any mistakes from slipping out. When I was a cadet at West Point, there was a vocal minority that active duty military personnel should not get to vote at all. They had a debate that we all had to attend as part of the class and of course we were all against it.&nbsp;</div></div><div style="color: rgb(77, 77, 77); font-size: 12px;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(77, 77, 77); font-size: 12px;">I am firmly against this but they did bring up a good point. Military officers historically tend to be Republican, libertarian, conservative (not all). When Clinton was in office, his staff was known to routinely speak against the military and one senior staffer told one of the top generals that "we don't speak to military personnel." (From Colin Powell's biography). Many liberals historically have disliked the military because it tended to skew towards conservatives, and the nature of national defense itself. The minority that said military should not be able to vote was to prevent any perception that officers were politically skewed one way or another because of their votes.</div><div style="color: rgb(77, 77, 77); font-size: 12px;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(77, 77, 77); font-size: 12px;">It is not about exploiting for political gain, but about maintaining a system where we promote that the military is apolitical, and its members may have to give up that right because of it. If they do have to give up the right, where is the line drawn? Right now the line is when not in uniform, you can do what you can do, but in uniform you can't. I think that is good. However one marine got in trouble because he spoke out against POTUS on facebook and wouldn't take it down when asked to by his chain of command. He argued he did while not in uniform and got court martialed. But if active can't say anything at all, then this wouldn't even be an issue. It would open up others though and I don't think we want to go down that route.</div></div><div style="color: rgb(77, 77, 77); font-size: 12px;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(77, 77, 77); font-size: 12px;">That is the basis of my question. Whew, sorry for the long response!</div>
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LTC Executive Officer To Afc A Co S G 3/5/7
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Join a political party - yes. &nbsp;Express their political views, while in uniform, no.
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Yessir!!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Especially when those views are outside the work environment and in public.&nbsp;&nbsp; I do not care for President Obama but I respect him as a person and the office.
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SSgt (Join to see) In my opinion they only have to respect the office not the person. LTC (Join to see) Sir shouldn't you be able to discuss your views between your peers if asked your views. Or did you mean to the media. I agree in uniform to media.
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Sir -<div><br></div><div>I believe that if someone wants to express their personal political opinion it needs to be on their own time and not in uniform. At the end of the day regardless of your political views and personal opinions, these should not effect you at work. It is when people involve their personal opinions/political in their work that things get difficult. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, it's just that opinion has a time and place.</div>
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I remember at the end of the Carter Administration it was almost a consensus that President Carter sucked as President.   The feelings were so intense that servicemen were becoming more open about it.


Barring harassment and the Rush Limbaugh Show is not harassment then the ability to voice your feelings is a right.  I would opt to be quiet on duty because it is possible that your boss directly over you might feel upset and that might make your life miserable.


Plus being respectful is always the right thing.

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SSG Matt Murphy
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I like your post with one exception:  everyone is NOT entitled to their opinion. 

https://theconversation.com/no-youre-not-entitled-to-your-opinion-9978
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<p>The military is apolitical.&nbsp; It has to be that way.&nbsp; We cannot show or favor political sides while in uniform or while on official duty.&nbsp; Thus, IMHO, active duty service members need to avoid overt political involvement because that is a direct conflict of interest.&nbsp; What you do politically OFF duty is your business as long you don't use your military status for political gain.&nbsp; National Guard and Reserve should have no restrictions as long as their political actions don't interfere with their military duties and like AD, don't use their military affiliation for political gain.</p><p><br></p>
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LTC Paul Labrador
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I'm more worried that if the military became a political entity, we would go the way of the Banana Republics or even the Roman Republic (the fall of the Republic was a direct result of the legions loyalty being supplanted to would be emperors vs to the nation)

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<p>I concur and like I mentioned earlier,&nbsp; that even with President Carter we were still relatively mute about politics.&nbsp;&nbsp; It was a kind of bizarre time then.&nbsp;&nbsp; President Nixon left,&nbsp; President Ford followed and he was unremarkable.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I was in Arkansas when the Clintons were in the Governors Mansion in Arkansas.</p><p><br></p><p>And President Carter alienated everyone.&nbsp;&nbsp; That is where the politics seemed to reach it's peak.&nbsp;&nbsp; No one believe President Carter was corrupt but the Missile Complexes were under scrutiny and a hostile Congress.</p><p><br></p><p>So naturally politics would follow and for the Military today who bash him you should remember this.&nbsp;&nbsp; President Reagan gave us large pay increases of 13% across the board.&nbsp;&nbsp; So politics cannot be taken away from us but should be respected.</p>
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SSG John Karr
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I was working as a Defense Contractor and after having spent a year and a half in Iraq I was asked to speak at my county's political committee. I was still in the Guard but in civiees and I made sure to preface my speech with "In no way does what I'm about to say have anything to do with official policy of the United States of America", just wanted to cover my bases.
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
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People forget sometimes how badly any military does when running nations.
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