Posted on Apr 3, 2015
Political intolerance? Do you find it equal, or more prevalent in the Left or the Right?
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I heard a story on the radio about a couple demanding that Fox News NOT be allowed on the TV's in a County recreational center Cardio room. They've had a petition signed, and are threatening law suits to ensure Fox News is not allowed to be viewed.
Is this Censorship? Intolerance? Appropriate? What are your thoughts?
http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2015/01/debate_over_fox_news_broadcast.html
Is this Censorship? Intolerance? Appropriate? What are your thoughts?
http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2015/01/debate_over_fox_news_broadcast.html
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Responses: 24
If they remove Fox News, it is censorship. If down to one or two TVs then OK.
The left is completely intolerant of viewpoints outside of their own, liberals claim to be open minded until the view is not there own. They cry like babies to cut off any information that presents both sides or even discusses a view outside their own.
We can go down the list of topics: Global Warming, now 'Climate Change', Any LGBT issue, Any Christian faith coverage must be in a bad light, Republicans are always parodied as dim witted and slow or specific stories are generated to make it appear this way.
I find the Main Stream Media (NBC, ABC, CBS, NY Times, AP for local papers), CNN, MSNBC unwatchable, they might as well just present the DNC and media matters script straight from a spokesperson. They carry the water for the LGBT community, DNC, Obama administration like Pravda carried the 'truth' for the Soviet Union. I can tolerate Fox News until they get on a story and drive it into the ground. I find the best news sources to be WSJ, BBC, Financial Times, the Economist and on occasion NPR.
I find the US is turning into a country against any group that stands for a Constitutional discussion of rights and principals and I fear for my country, my children and their opportunities.
The left is completely intolerant of viewpoints outside of their own, liberals claim to be open minded until the view is not there own. They cry like babies to cut off any information that presents both sides or even discusses a view outside their own.
We can go down the list of topics: Global Warming, now 'Climate Change', Any LGBT issue, Any Christian faith coverage must be in a bad light, Republicans are always parodied as dim witted and slow or specific stories are generated to make it appear this way.
I find the Main Stream Media (NBC, ABC, CBS, NY Times, AP for local papers), CNN, MSNBC unwatchable, they might as well just present the DNC and media matters script straight from a spokesperson. They carry the water for the LGBT community, DNC, Obama administration like Pravda carried the 'truth' for the Soviet Union. I can tolerate Fox News until they get on a story and drive it into the ground. I find the best news sources to be WSJ, BBC, Financial Times, the Economist and on occasion NPR.
I find the US is turning into a country against any group that stands for a Constitutional discussion of rights and principals and I fear for my country, my children and their opportunities.
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PO1 John Miller
Well put Sir. I've come to realize that liberals are open minded as long as you accept what they have to say as gospel and reject any opposing viewpoints.
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Cpl Tou Lee Yang
Everyone knows Fox News fabricate lies and distort facts to meet their agendas. Why do you think people who watch Fox News are less informed than those who don't watch TV news at all? It's not a secret that Fox News is only fair and balance when it comes to the weather and the sports section.
http://www.poynter.org/news/mediawire/174826/survey-nprs-listeners-best-informed-fox-news-viewers-worst-informed/
http://www.poynter.org/news/mediawire/174826/survey-nprs-listeners-best-informed-fox-news-viewers-worst-informed/
Survey: NPR’s listeners best-informed, Fox viewers worst-informed | Poynter.
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LTC John Shaw
Tony,
All news is entertainment, there is no pure news source.
As an example, you provided a link that purports to be objective journalism.
Instead you just provided a great example of a liberal bias news source carrying the water for liberal press.
Note that the ONLY SOURCE for your Poynter is ***According to a follow-up survey by Fairleigh Dickinson University***
I can see you want to make your point, but when you link to a bias news source, it going to be called out.
Thanks for being a consistent liberal!
But I mean it in a good way.
All news is entertainment, there is no pure news source.
As an example, you provided a link that purports to be objective journalism.
Instead you just provided a great example of a liberal bias news source carrying the water for liberal press.
Note that the ONLY SOURCE for your Poynter is ***According to a follow-up survey by Fairleigh Dickinson University***
I can see you want to make your point, but when you link to a bias news source, it going to be called out.
Thanks for being a consistent liberal!
But I mean it in a good way.
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I have to agree with the results. People on the left say one thing and then do another. If you don't agree with the views on the left rather than debate you they try to censor you.
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Here are some examples describing the intolerance of which I am speaking. If this is what some want to call civil discourse, I suggest a closer look at the word "civil".
http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2012/06/12/7_ways_conservative_activists_are_being_harassed_by_the_left/page/full
http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2012/06/12/7_ways_conservative_activists_are_being_harassed_by_the_left/page/full
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SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA
SSG Gerhard S. good afternoon!
Reading the article it appears the couple actually requested MSNBC to be tuned in order to maintain a semblance of balance, and at that point the Rec Center Manager blew his lid off.
Which apparently is what brought about the lawsuit.
Unintended consequences work like that sometimes.
4 TVs tuned to Fox, spilling out offensive remarks/comments...a couple asks for 1 of those to be tuned to MSNBC...Manager refuses and adds his "pearls of wisdom".
Pretty clear who was being intolerant.
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Reading the article it appears the couple actually requested MSNBC to be tuned in order to maintain a semblance of balance, and at that point the Rec Center Manager blew his lid off.
Which apparently is what brought about the lawsuit.
Unintended consequences work like that sometimes.
4 TVs tuned to Fox, spilling out offensive remarks/comments...a couple asks for 1 of those to be tuned to MSNBC...Manager refuses and adds his "pearls of wisdom".
Pretty clear who was being intolerant.
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SSG Gerhard S.
Yes, that IS what the Webers said.... which, of course would cause any one of us to threaten petitions, and to file a law suit.
I know, if that happened to me, my desire would be to get them to allow a variety of stations, so everybody could watch what they want, and not to simply EXCLUDE the channel I don't like.
Does that really make sense to you? Which tack would you take as a "tolerant" person SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA?
I know, if that happened to me, my desire would be to get them to allow a variety of stations, so everybody could watch what they want, and not to simply EXCLUDE the channel I don't like.
Does that really make sense to you? Which tack would you take as a "tolerant" person SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA?
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SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA
I'm with you SSG Gerhard S. , this is something that bothers me every time I go to an on-post installation that has screens, invariably they are playing FOX.
Just because the NCOIC or OIC likes Fox doesn't mean everyone there has to sit and watch it.
Either turn it to a neutral station or turn it off.
Intolerance is even worse when it is compounded by imposing your rank.
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Just because the NCOIC or OIC likes Fox doesn't mean everyone there has to sit and watch it.
Either turn it to a neutral station or turn it off.
Intolerance is even worse when it is compounded by imposing your rank.
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SSG Gerhard S.
No argument from me on this SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA If there's only 1 tv, it should probably be tuned to something neutral, like the Discovery or History channel, or if we want everyone to be bored, perhaps a shopping channel..... (a little levity on that one.)
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In my experience, people on the right will listen to you, allow you to define your terms and even reframe a couple of points and then may or may not accept that you legitimately hold a view that doesn't jibe with theirs.
IME, people on the left, IF, they are willing to listen, will only do so in order to have ammunition to verbally throw back at you as they impugn your character for holding such views if it doesn't fall completely within today's PC box view of the topic.
There are, of course, individuals on both sides who are either willing to think it thru with you, or, to insult not only you but your entire heritage for your thoughts. But, in general, the first two paragraphs apply.
If the TV still shows MSNBC, it's censorship to remove FOX NEWS.
IME, people on the left, IF, they are willing to listen, will only do so in order to have ammunition to verbally throw back at you as they impugn your character for holding such views if it doesn't fall completely within today's PC box view of the topic.
There are, of course, individuals on both sides who are either willing to think it thru with you, or, to insult not only you but your entire heritage for your thoughts. But, in general, the first two paragraphs apply.
If the TV still shows MSNBC, it's censorship to remove FOX NEWS.
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SSG Gerhard S.
MSNBC with a viewership of only about 350,000 has few viewers anyway, while Fox has 1.7 million. perhaps the number of TV's (from the article) should be determined by viewership? (That was not a serious suggestion)
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Cpl Tou Lee Yang
That is the silliest claim I have ever heard between the right and left. I have more experience where the right starts calling name because I don't agree with their stance or belief.
I have "friends" on facebook that has unfriend me because of my political view and my view oppose theirs. My take on this is that you have not met many leftwinger who would have a decent debate with you on the subject matter.
Also, Fox News viewser are the least informed of all the news channel.
I have "friends" on facebook that has unfriend me because of my political view and my view oppose theirs. My take on this is that you have not met many leftwinger who would have a decent debate with you on the subject matter.
Also, Fox News viewser are the least informed of all the news channel.
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GySgt Joe Strong
Cool Tony Yang, "silliest"?
An interesting characterization given the phrases "in my experience" and then the whole of my third paragraph.
Both open the door for others to have differing experiences, like, for instance, yours.
An interesting characterization given the phrases "in my experience" and then the whole of my third paragraph.
Both open the door for others to have differing experiences, like, for instance, yours.
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GySgt Joe Strong
Also regarding the Idiocy of Fox news viewers a Fake Study and the Big Lie effect are in play - as shown by no less than the Huffington Post - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-giltz/exclusive-pr-guru-behind_b_2268959.html
Exclusive: PR Guru Behind Fake Fox News "Study" Speaks Up
Don't believe everything you see on the web, even if it's repeated by a news site or blog you trust. Especially if it seems too good to be true.
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Let me just put it this way. As a Libertarian I run into intolerance from both sides. Yeah, those from both sides agree with some of my view points but viciously attack what they don't agree with.
I will have to say though that lefties tend to be just a bit more intolerant of what they don't agree with. For instance I've been called a "racist redneck" because of my viewpoints on illegal immigration.
But on the flip side I've been called a dirty hippie by some righties because of my viewpoints on the legalization of marijuana.
I will have to say though that lefties tend to be just a bit more intolerant of what they don't agree with. For instance I've been called a "racist redneck" because of my viewpoints on illegal immigration.
But on the flip side I've been called a dirty hippie by some righties because of my viewpoints on the legalization of marijuana.
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SSG Gerhard S.
PO1 John Miller , I too am Libertarian and have run into the exact same bilateral intolerance, skewed in the same direction.
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Cpl Tou Lee Yang
You you being a Libertarian believes in the abolished of:
Federal Reserve
Social Security
Welfare
Public Schools
Taxes
These are only a few of the department that the Libertarian believes in, so the business owner who donate to the actual party can reap the benefit. I cannot see myself supporting those ideas. It goes against every thing I've been taught from the bible or even in bootcamp where everyone shares and contribute to the success of the team. Which is the same as contributing to the success of society.
Federal Reserve
Social Security
Welfare
Public Schools
Taxes
These are only a few of the department that the Libertarian believes in, so the business owner who donate to the actual party can reap the benefit. I cannot see myself supporting those ideas. It goes against every thing I've been taught from the bible or even in bootcamp where everyone shares and contribute to the success of the team. Which is the same as contributing to the success of society.
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I don't understand the left and right thing but my opinion is that it is censorship. Their solution might be, turn the channel indicator to a different channel. That's prettysimple and cut and dried. TV stations are going to broadcast whatever they want to. It's like a bad reply or bad situation on the internet. My solution to that is, delete, delete, delete. There, it's gone. No more worry.
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SSG Gerhard S.
SGT (Join to see) I think you're right, that is how most people deal with things they don't want to see (look away, or change the channel), hear (walk away or turn the channel), or read (close the book, turn the page, or read something else). In the article posted above the couple wanted to make sure a particular message COULDN'T be heard (or even seen in this case, because the volume is turned off), because they personally found it disagreeable, therefore, THEY thought that message, that channel, should be turned off so nobody could see it, or plug in to listen to it with their headphones. Thoughts?
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SGT (Join to see)
I read it as it was upsetting the patients, or the two people who want to sue, thought it was upsetting the cardio patients. If they have cable TV they could use the settings for children to block that channel completely out, and any other channel they deemed necessary. Theresno need for a law suit. That's ridiculous.
II don't understand the left and right thing but my opinion is that it is censorship. Their solution might be, turn the channel indicator to a different channel. That's prettysimple and cut and dried. TV stations are going to broadcast whatever they want to. It's like a bad reply or bad situation on the internet. My solution to that is, delete, delete, delete. There, it's gone. No more worry.
II don't understand the left and right thing but my opinion is that it is censorship. Their solution might be, turn the channel indicator to a different channel. That's prettysimple and cut and dried. TV stations are going to broadcast whatever they want to. It's like a bad reply or bad situation on the internet. My solution to that is, delete, delete, delete. There, it's gone. No more worry.
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Intolerance is equally spread around. The only thing that changes with time or location is that some groups are just better at hiding their disease than others. In a different time, different place, it could be the conservatives that are filled with types able to hide intolerance while casting it on someone else. In the same place, decades later, it will be liberals.
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SSG Gerhard S.
In other words, those that are not asking for debate, not asking for equal time, those that are instead working to be the only ones with a message to be heard by eliminating the countering messages. It is clear to see on college campuses, where speakers like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad are welcomed, while "Conservative" speakers have pies thrown at them, or are shouted down, or protested against to influence university staff to cancel such events.
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SPC Angel Guma
I would say instead of 'working harder', working smarter. Some times, one side or another is just 'gifted' with leaders who are just better and or more intuitive at playing this game. There's no rhyme or reason for it, and I haven't figured that out yet myself. Sometimes a particular group just as all the right leaders and tools in place to really do a better job at silencing the other side.
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SPC Angel Guma
I would say where ever you go, if one side or another appears dominate, that's more by the virtue of that particular area or group just having more skilled backstabbers among them. This is especially true on college campuses. The more someone can hold forth on an opinion without any real skill or merit, the more that person is dependent on baking their daily bread by systematically lying to people and victimizing or backstabbing people who are willing to be independent minded.
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SSG Gerhard S.
It's my opinion, that people don't just flock to the message that is heard, or seen the most. Sure, that may be the case for some of our younger, and more malleable folks, but at some point, people end up on one side of the fence, or on the other. Some are further into the pastures, while others mingle closer to the fence line, but simply silencing the voice on one side of the fence and turning up the volume on the other side doesn't cause people to hop the fence and start running in the other direction. Clearly, though, if the younger of us, who are going through school, elementary, secondary, collegiate and graduate, often only hear the story from one side of the fence because the other side has been silenced, or greatly diminished in many of these forums. Clearly, and demonstrably, an expected majority of those who have really heard primarily only one message, are going to end up on that one side of the fence. So, I absolutely agree with your statement above.
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To be transparent, I have problems with ALL of the news networks for a host of reasons. I probably watch Fox, more than other news networks, but I also watch CNN, and sometimes even MSNBC, at least until my face turns red, and my wife orders it off. That being said, I have never even considered asking someone to turn OFF another station, even if I absolutely disagree with what is being said. I feel there is something to be learned by exposing myself to opposing views, as well as those I hold.
It is stories like the one above that reeks of political intolerance, a vocal, almost fanatical desire to oppose and suppress any voices to which one doesn't agree. I've recently read some articles describing such intolerance on College campuses, and have spoken with many veterans with whom I've served that have experienced and observed this intolerance on campus.
I'd love to hear stories, experiences, and examples of political intolerance from RallyPoint members.
It is stories like the one above that reeks of political intolerance, a vocal, almost fanatical desire to oppose and suppress any voices to which one doesn't agree. I've recently read some articles describing such intolerance on College campuses, and have spoken with many veterans with whom I've served that have experienced and observed this intolerance on campus.
I'd love to hear stories, experiences, and examples of political intolerance from RallyPoint members.
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GySgt Joe Strong
I agree about problems with news organizations in general.
The first being that they are generally doing opinion based journalism, vice any appearance of just telling the story that exists.
The second being that they seem incapable of delivering any 4 of the "5 W's" of news reporting. Makes me wonder what it is that I'm watching.
The first being that they are generally doing opinion based journalism, vice any appearance of just telling the story that exists.
The second being that they seem incapable of delivering any 4 of the "5 W's" of news reporting. Makes me wonder what it is that I'm watching.
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SSG Gerhard S.
Indeed, but I don't see you suggesting that any in particular be forbidden to be viewed by others. Or to suggest they not be allowed to be heard, or seen, period. We all have the ability to turn them off, or to walk away, or to tune our headphones to the channel we WANT to listen to without taking away the ability of others to watch, or listen as the couple are intent on doing in the posted article.
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GySgt Joe Strong
Indeed, Journalism, even hard news, has always been biased in this country from the first printing press shipped over from the Old World. And it used to be announced in the Name of the Publication.
I don't advocate that any be restricted from having their say, in fact, reading the opposition is often instructive in examining your own positions and viewpoints.
But, far too often those who claim openness and tolerance are not only closed and intolerant but unwilling to allow others to have a voice. This is the point that usually starts me spinning up any response.
I don't advocate that any be restricted from having their say, in fact, reading the opposition is often instructive in examining your own positions and viewpoints.
But, far too often those who claim openness and tolerance are not only closed and intolerant but unwilling to allow others to have a voice. This is the point that usually starts me spinning up any response.
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SSG Gerhard S.
Indeed GySgt Joe Strong , and that was the intent of this post, to highlight the difference between disagreement, and intolerance. A concept that is clearly not lost to you. Semper Fidelis.
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