Posted on Aug 16, 2016
Is there any regulatory guidance on the amount of time you need to back CONUS before going to a school?
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I re-enlisted in October 2015 and chose to reclass. I was scheduled a school date of October 2016. Fast forward to May of this year, I was volunTOLD told go on a deployment at the last minute and was told that it was no issue and my school date would be rescheduled. In July I came down on a follow on assignment to Korea. I got in touch with retention and was told that I had the option of having my command send me home so I can attend my scheduled school date. I opted for my command to send me home. I am in the process of getting sent home now but my command is telling me that they are waiting to find out the latest date I need to be home before the start date of my school. Is there any regulatory guidance on the amount of time you need to back conus before going to a school etc?
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Make sure you get all of this in writing. Would hate to see you lose an opportunity because of the deployment and the chain of command verification. I was in Hawaii and got a school semester for reenlistment. Found out that a colleague got the same thing, but due to work staffing issues, he was unable to go to use his college semester and lost out on the opportunity. I enrolled myself in school two days before I reenlisted, so that I would not get the same treatment. That semester launched me into my officer career.
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Are you going to School TDY enroute or TDY & return?
That will drive the timeline.
No there is no regulatory guidence I know of... other then, they "should" provide enough time to set you up for success. You are a known loss, its not news or a surprise, whether they lose you 80 days into the deployment or 170 days in its the same known loss.
Assuming you are TDY & Return you remain on the units books.. that will affect there assigned vs deployed numbers and be cause of hand wringing. Behind scenes to you that senior commander is dealing with a DOD or higher HQ deployment order that requires XX% of assigned strength to be in country. If they are at or below min numbers, you leaving may very well drive a requirement to find another to deploy.
Help yourself help the command team make the call.
Figure out oif you are TDY enroute or not, then sit down and make a detailed plan of what you need to to do to get off post and too school.... DON'T FORGET DTS..likley a 30-45 day process... it is NOT something you can wait till you get back to start... Ideally, the DTS process shoudl start as soon as you have orders for the mission, be it a school, or other TDY tasking. Earlier is better.
So make that plan, figure in a reasonable amount of time/days overage for shit happens stuff...car hits a power pole and the G3 section is down for two days, sorry no DTS processing going on, no S1 processing of orders.. DOIM pushes a "patch" and the network goes down for three days....you get a flat tire and miss your out processing appointment and have to reschedule 2 days later.
PLan that timeline, be meticulous but reasonable on the times allotted, and present that plan to the command.. let them "see it" and visualize why the 22 days is needed.
Otherwise its just abstract numbers... And 10 looks good, 12 is being "nice" 15 days is just letting you screw off, and 22 is just pushing dereliction of duty ...but if presented with what you need to do each of those 22 days,,the buisness hours of the shops you need to visit, the DTS, G1, S1, G3, S3, ect... they may be more inclined to work with what you need.
Bottom line, Make it "easy" to say yes, give them a reason to say yes, give them the "easy" solution to decide upon.
That will drive the timeline.
No there is no regulatory guidence I know of... other then, they "should" provide enough time to set you up for success. You are a known loss, its not news or a surprise, whether they lose you 80 days into the deployment or 170 days in its the same known loss.
Assuming you are TDY & Return you remain on the units books.. that will affect there assigned vs deployed numbers and be cause of hand wringing. Behind scenes to you that senior commander is dealing with a DOD or higher HQ deployment order that requires XX% of assigned strength to be in country. If they are at or below min numbers, you leaving may very well drive a requirement to find another to deploy.
Help yourself help the command team make the call.
Figure out oif you are TDY enroute or not, then sit down and make a detailed plan of what you need to to do to get off post and too school.... DON'T FORGET DTS..likley a 30-45 day process... it is NOT something you can wait till you get back to start... Ideally, the DTS process shoudl start as soon as you have orders for the mission, be it a school, or other TDY tasking. Earlier is better.
So make that plan, figure in a reasonable amount of time/days overage for shit happens stuff...car hits a power pole and the G3 section is down for two days, sorry no DTS processing going on, no S1 processing of orders.. DOIM pushes a "patch" and the network goes down for three days....you get a flat tire and miss your out processing appointment and have to reschedule 2 days later.
PLan that timeline, be meticulous but reasonable on the times allotted, and present that plan to the command.. let them "see it" and visualize why the 22 days is needed.
Otherwise its just abstract numbers... And 10 looks good, 12 is being "nice" 15 days is just letting you screw off, and 22 is just pushing dereliction of duty ...but if presented with what you need to do each of those 22 days,,the buisness hours of the shops you need to visit, the DTS, G1, S1, G3, S3, ect... they may be more inclined to work with what you need.
Bottom line, Make it "easy" to say yes, give them a reason to say yes, give them the "easy" solution to decide upon.
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In don't think there is any regulatory guidance to a latest possible date because it's common knowledge not to send someone on a deployment when they are scheduled yo PCS at that time. Basically they have to give you enough time to clear, which isn't a lot. This is really a command issue and I suggest you immediately elevate it, especially if you have a family that you need to square away. But, you still need your orders and to submit for your manual 1610 prior to school.
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My report date for ait is October 7th. In my personal opinion for my command is more worried about how their numbers look and what it seems like to me is they're trying to postpone sending me back until the very last second. What would you say is a sufficient amount of time to get everything done?
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I don't know your situation or your circumstances, but as a rule of thumb, you want 60 at least days to process.
You still need to receive your levy brief, receive your orders, send those up for your 1610, arrange for your household goods to be picked up, port call, and long term storage.
You can do it in less, but if you show up to AIT without a 1610, you may be sent away.
You still need to receive your levy brief, receive your orders, send those up for your 1610, arrange for your household goods to be picked up, port call, and long term storage.
You can do it in less, but if you show up to AIT without a 1610, you may be sent away.
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