Posted on Jul 18, 2020
Is the Marine Corps to strict with its enforcement of "proper civilian attire" while off duty?
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So (correct me if I'm wrong) there's no overarching policy or regulation from CMC or HQMC, but TECOM has their civilian attire policy which it seems like every other unit has adopted. I don't mind this, actually I think it makes perfect sense. If you're on a Marine Corps base or traveling for official business it's definitely great to have some guidelines to follow when out of uniform. I'm pretty sure TECOM created it with the thought of young kids from bootcamp or OCS in the back of their minds, not wanting to be embarrassed by their poor style choices.
Where I think it becomes problematic is once you're off-base in the comfort of your home and neighborhood. An example I'll use is the time I was given a hard time by another Marine when I was picking up food a few years ago, the only time this has happened. I left the gym and ordered food from a restaurant to go, and the other Marine tried to prevent me from walking in the "To-Go" door. My retort was do you know if I'm a Marine or just a civilian who likes to wear a fade.
That's my concern with this is you have Marines now attempting to blast people in public with no idea as to their service history or standing. I'm not saying Marines should be allowed to dress like bags of crap (if you're going out dress appropriately); but if you adhere to a business or institution's clothing policy, as lax as it may be, then what's the issue?
The Marine Corps has it's policy on base for good reason, but to try to enforce it out in town while not on duty is pretty invasive. It doesn't make sense to change over into a good set of clothes to take the car across the street to fill up the gas tank, or make a quick run to the hardware store in the middle of doing yard work. Those are just my thoughts, but I'd like to hear yours on this.
Where I think it becomes problematic is once you're off-base in the comfort of your home and neighborhood. An example I'll use is the time I was given a hard time by another Marine when I was picking up food a few years ago, the only time this has happened. I left the gym and ordered food from a restaurant to go, and the other Marine tried to prevent me from walking in the "To-Go" door. My retort was do you know if I'm a Marine or just a civilian who likes to wear a fade.
That's my concern with this is you have Marines now attempting to blast people in public with no idea as to their service history or standing. I'm not saying Marines should be allowed to dress like bags of crap (if you're going out dress appropriately); but if you adhere to a business or institution's clothing policy, as lax as it may be, then what's the issue?
The Marine Corps has it's policy on base for good reason, but to try to enforce it out in town while not on duty is pretty invasive. It doesn't make sense to change over into a good set of clothes to take the car across the street to fill up the gas tank, or make a quick run to the hardware store in the middle of doing yard work. Those are just my thoughts, but I'd like to hear yours on this.
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All right, I'll give you an opinion from an old fart who drew his first issue of uniforms 54 years ago at Parris Island. Not only did I get clothing that was appropriate for any situation, but a seabag that it could be carried in that protected the clothing like a civilian suitcase. When my compatriots and I went home on leave after we completed our post recruit infantry training, we wore our A Greens for two reasons; first, as has been cited in this string, we only made $90 a month and didn't have the money to go out and get muftis, and secondly, we got a discount off the train fare if we were in uniform. If the Corps wanted you to have civilian clothing, they would issue them to you as they do those assigned to Embassy duty. As time went on, and, quite frankly, we started being harassed by anti war protestors, they started allowing us to travel out of uniform, but as always happens, some Marines started traveling in clothing that made them look more like hippies than Marines and the Corps became more restrictive regarding what civilian clothing we could wear. The CMC expected we would adhere to the same standards of dress we were taught in basic training. We would PT prior to breakfast, but a shower and change out of PT gear was scheduled before we went to the chow hall out of courtesy to the others eating there who may not have wanted to eat their meal sitting next to a platoon of sweaty, smelly Marines who had just done their daily dozen exercises. When we left training, you didn't go to the Commissary or Exchange in a dirty uniform because it was considered inappropriate to mingle with the dependents and retirees (of course it hadn't been long since the ladies were expected to be in dresses and wear gloves to the clubs).
The same standards applied off base. Marines are recognizable. Even 30 years after I retired, as a 73 year old with my now bearded face and civilian haircut, living four hours from the nearest base, more than once I am told "you're a Marine aren't you?". It's not my clothing or grooming, it's the way we carry ourself.
So I disagree. While on active duty you are no less a Marine no matter where you are, and the fact is, if you adhere to those basic standards of hygiene and dress, there will rarely be an occasion where you will be inappropriate.
The same standards applied off base. Marines are recognizable. Even 30 years after I retired, as a 73 year old with my now bearded face and civilian haircut, living four hours from the nearest base, more than once I am told "you're a Marine aren't you?". It's not my clothing or grooming, it's the way we carry ourself.
So I disagree. While on active duty you are no less a Marine no matter where you are, and the fact is, if you adhere to those basic standards of hygiene and dress, there will rarely be an occasion where you will be inappropriate.
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While overseas during non-combat deployments, the strict code actually made us stand out. Greece was off limits as a port of call due to terrorist activity which was targeting US military. The ship watch was denying debarkation if you didn't wear the correct attire. I understand the need or want for professionalism, but prudence may be the best approach. Wear what the locals wear, blend in, especially while engaged in asymmetric warfare against a very non-conventional enemy.
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LTC Erik Spike Thiesmeyer, Sr.
Overseas is different. Especially in muslim countries. Often difficult to blend in any case.
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Cpl (Join to see)
Greece isn't Muslim and neither was France where the Muslim no-go zones highlighted on maps of Marseilles at the gangplank.
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Cpl (Join to see)
Yes our haircut was still a requirement in the late 80's and the ships I was deployed to.
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It has always existed within the military. Some locations more restrictive than others. Oversees, special duty etc. require stricter standards based on how one is representing the Military and Country.
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