Posted on Aug 1, 2014
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On other discussion threads it has been stated that leadership qualities are emphasized to heavily for promotion. That not everyone is willing to lead or be a leader. And troops should not be held back because of their leadership capabilities and being able to advance their careers. Thats why the Army has the specialist/corporal rank at E-4 in my opinion. Granted not all people are geared for leadership but should the system be revised or do we still need to stress leadership qualities above all else? The Marine Corps has always gone a pretty good job of instilling leadership abilities in their ranks. Maybe we should have promotions boards for E-4 and beyond. I believe this quality is what makes our services the best at what we do.
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I think it is very easy for those of us not directly involved with kicking in doors and sending rounds down range on a day to day basis to become mentally removed from the war fighting business that we are all involved in.

In my opinion if someone is up for promotion he simply MUST be the kind of leader who instills the kind of confidence in those in his charge that would make them okay with the idea of following him into the gates of hell and know that if they stick with him and do what he says, then they'll make it back to their homes and families.

That is what leadership in the military HAS to mean at its most basic level.
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Tha Marine Corps has never lacked in leadership qualities. The other branches could learn a thing or two from the Corps.
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Leadership isn't emphasized ENOUGH in the promotion system. At least it isn't in the Navy. Management is emphasized in how you do your job (based on effectiveness, timeliness, and the end product) but leadership and management are two entirely different animals. To manage all you need is knowledge; to LEAD you must have influence.

That's all leadership is: Influence. And in order to have influence you need to have buy-in. If your people don't believe that you have THEIR best interests at heart, they will NOT follow you. And the fewer people you have following your lead the less effective you are in managing your programs.

That's why leadership must ALWAYS be emphasized in EVERY promotion for EVERY member of the military. Because regardless of your role, if you wear the uniform you ARE a leader to someone somewhere. Leadership must be emphasized MORE, not less.
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That's a big problem I believe in the Air Force as well. To much emphasizes is put on management. The Air Force is run to much like a business in must specialties. Coming from the Marine Corps to the Air Force it was hard to get use to. Leadership starts early in the Corps. Corporal E-4's are expected to step up to the plate and lead a squad or a platoon if need be. To lead you must be strong willed, demand the best strive to be the best but also be forgiving when need be. Troops will follow you but they need to know they can count on you when things get rough. They need to know you can deal with there problems. And you must mentor. CPO (Join to see) I agree completely with you it must be emphasized in every branch. Because with out it we will become weak.
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The Air Force also places a lot of emphasis on appearances over duty performance. A mediocre job performance, combined with constant, consistent volunteering (even if the volunteering takes you out of your primary job for days at a time) will net you far more awards and promotions than a stellar duty performance and no volunteerism.
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Athough I believe appearance is important. Your duty performance should be the first measurement of your job knowledge. Volunteering is all nice and such but I'm not sure it's a good measurement of how well you preform your primary job. Unless the volunteering directly correlates to your MOS/AFSC or rating.
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I think the real problem lies in emphasis on leadership by itself. Most promotion boards look only for someone who can simply spit out simple answers to simple questions. What does this even measure? Many promotion boards, at least in the Army, ask simple questions that can be easily memorized and then easily forgotten. This results in "leaders" who excel in hoarding and dumping information, and not necessarily having any idea how to put that information to use. Use it or lose it comes to mind, and rings true, because if you don't use the information you just gained... you forget it.

Aside from leadership, the other parts of what you want in your promoted personnel are knowledge and wisdom. Perhaps the promotion board process should be reshaped not only to look for people who "take charge" but to look for people who know the commonly needed information, know how to apply the information, and do a lot more situation based/on-the-fly type questioning during the board.

Ask questions like, "this is your situation, what do you do?" and judge the answer based on the ability of the SM to think on their feet, as well as the effectiveness of their answer. Less emphasis on regurgitation of facts and more emphasis on practical application and critical thinking. This will help avoid big issues and solve the others which will inevitably pop up.
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Good points not to be overlooked.
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