Posted on Mar 18, 2015
SFC Collin McMillion
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We as as American are sworn to defend this country against enemies foreign and domestic. We had better start with the domestic side. How long is it going to be before we have to start having visas just to travel from one part of our own country to another? Seem to me people are not coming here for a piece of the pie, but to own it. How long is it going to be before Americans, regardless of color, race, religion or creed go the way of the native Americans, put on reservations and told this is your part, stay here. I'm sorry, but, Hitler, Hussan, Bin Laden, Stalin, Castro, Putin, these are not my heros. Look at the countries on earth that are all getting divided up, are we next, have we already started in that direction? What happened to not being a divided front? To me it is of little wonder why so many states want to break away from be part of the United States, why, because we are no longer "united". In the name of whatever peace love religion or culture you belong to, we need to come together before we all fall apart. Just my way of thinking and begging this great country to reunite in peace with common goals.
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I am not sure what or where we need to take our country back from. “It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government, except all those others that have been tried.” (Winston Churchill). What it is, governance is messy. What confuses me is that 95% of House incumbents and 82% of Senate incumbents were reelected yet during that same election Congress had a solid 16% approval rating. And this was all achieved with a 36% voter turnout which coincidentally was the worst turnout since World War II. We seem to complain nationally but reelect locally.

As far as I could find there have been four instances where the Electoral College and the popular vote did not go the same direction, three of those were back in the 1800s the fourth would have put Al Gore into office over G. W. Bush. I wonder how history would a played out from there? All it really does is serve to protect a two party system and we would probably benefit from some changes there. I think a better question would be, where is the integrity in our news media? They pander to the mob.
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CPT Zachary Brooks
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Sir, I think people dislike Congress as a whole, but they all like their elected official.

It must be YOUR guy that is the problem, not mine.
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Cpl Jeff N.
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CPT Zachary Brooks. You are right on target. Everyone loves their congressman but hates everyone elses. That is why they are almost all sent back and yet have a 16% approval rating.
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I disagree SFC Collin McMillion, the United States was established as a country whose continuation or change were ultimately the right of the citizen. From the preamble of The Declaration of Independence,

"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."

While this was written to the King of England, the principle does not change. We have taken an Oath to uphold the Constitution, a document which was borne from the same principles. I think if we are going to be a nation that prides ourselves on "freedom", shouldn't we respect the freedom of a citizen's right to choose their government? If a majority have found the system to be broke, why should their solution be discounted because it is revolutionary and different? I don't agree that the states should in any way disband, but I do think it's hypocritical to pick and choose which acts are okay to be left to free will. It's the same reason I think Afghanistan has been a failure in some respects, we've forced them to choose a democracy. That's not freedom or democratic, that's authoritarian disguised. It's no surprise to me then that many of them do not see the benefit of it, because they were given no choice.

Anyway, I didn't intend this to be rude, I just wanted to offer a different perspective. Have a good day.
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PO2 Erik Swanson
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While I totally agree with you it is the right of the people to establish a new government, I think those who want the new government is afraid of the one we do have. We have already seen this with the Boston bombing, the Ferguson riots, and other instances where the government has either taken total control, or no control at all in fear of political correctness. If the republic is to be re-established, we must know which side is right, join that side, and not fear the consequences.

I truly do not believe any of the voting is worth a crap with the electoral college, and as long as your blue states have more electoral votes, and it's advantageous to be on the government dole, we will continue to slide into a social welfare state that people get punished for being successful.
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PO2 Erik Swanson, I agree to an extent, but I think all of those examples are clear outliers, individuals that aren't actually representative of anything but a very small minority. What I was referring to is a clear, concerted shift in public opinion. The biggest problem nowadays is similar to what I see in a lot of units I've been apart of or worked with, a serious issue, like rampant fraternization for example, that everyone knows about and complains about, but no one actually does anything about because they think it's "not their place" or "it won't make a difference". Except if enough people quit accepting what everyone sees as an issue and took responsibility for being a small piece of the solution, it could change. It's not particularly hard to see the big problems American has in the government right now, it's more that everyone likes to mostly complain and blame instead of trying to find a different way of doing things.
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PO2 Erik Swanson
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Together we formed what we were both trying to say in the first place. There is no responsibility or accountability in the American government anymore. This "filed a lawsuit against" is not going to solve the issues we have with low information voters. There needs to be a mass overhaul of what is allowed and what is not in the government.

BTW those were to two most extreme ends of the spectrum I could think of. Police overstepping and then again doing nothing.
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Definitely understand what you're saying, no worries.
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It used to be, "the United States are..." Now it is "the United States is..." We have veered from what a republic is supposed to be. No longer do we, as a State, have the ability to recall our Senators - it used to be such because they were appointed by the governor & if they lost approval of the people the governor would recall them. The Senators nixed that by declaring they must be elected to terms.

I believe a few years ago there was a Russian sociologist-type that stated that eventually the United States would break up & form several different nations. Of course, that was ludicrous when he said that...
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PO2 Erik Swanson
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There were several petitions on whitehouse.gov that asked for states to succeed. Of course they were all denied.
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Exactly, SSgt (Join to see). Everyone says that we are a democracy, when we are not. We are a constitutional republic w/ democratic elections (although that isn't even true because the electoral college typically vetoes the popular vote anyways).

There is a push by many States (with growing momentum) for the 10th Amendment & a States Rights Convention.
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Secession is a bad idea. It would only lead to more (greater) bloodshed than it did before.
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Secession is not an act that has to be "approved" by the federal government. The Individual states formed the federal government, thus do not need the permission of the federal government to withdraw that support.

The Tenth Amendment tells us that all powers not delegated to the federal government are retained by the states and/or the individual.

It seems through intentional or otherwise actions, our nation has become balkanized. To many, it seems like we are a "united" country in name only.

Where do we go from here? Only time will tell. I think we will know sooner rather than later.
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