Posted on Aug 3, 2014
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I understand that Soldiers are required to make appointments they schedule, it's their responsibility. Is it really worth an article 15? Maybe i just don't see how the Army is losing money if you miss a 15 minute appointment. It's not like they run those expensive machines waiting on you or even show up on time themselves.
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I recently missed an appointment that was never confirmed by me or was I notified, am I still subject to an article 15? Plus I start clearing in a week and take terminal leave a week after that, will they take that from me? 1st offense and 1st negative thing to happen in 5 years.
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SPC Timothy Walker
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Our institution being the Military was and will always be built on the foundation of standards and the standards are high so we should hold them as such! However an article 15 UCMJ, Im not sure about that at all!
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Actually, every missed appt costs the respective medical treatment facility about $200, leaves an appt open that could be taken by someone else and shows a lack of responsibility. Units at Fort Bragg have dropped missed appt rates by 10-15% by counseling, UCMJ, etc. over the past several years likely providing hundreds of thousands of dollars in increased revenue to hire more personnel, update equipment, etc. Just because we get free medical care in the military doesn't mean it is free!
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SP6 Eric Rob
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I need more information: How many appointments has this soldier missed? Has he/she ever been couseled? what is the reason for missing appointment? What level on Article 15 was it? Was all punishment suspened?
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SP6 Eric Rob
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I need more information: How many appointments has this soldier missed? Has he/she ever been couseled? what is the reason for missing appointment? What level on Article 15 was it? Was all punishment suspened?
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Hi I have a question I missed an appointment about 2 weeks ago which was a complete accident and I received a company grade article 15 because my commander has a policy to where if you miss an appointment you get an article 15 then about a week ago I had another appointment and I called in to cancel it because you have the option to call it in and leave a message to cancel it so I did not but it wasn't the right number and now it shows as a no show and I'm trying to figure out what's going to happen to me I've never been in any trouble and this is the first time I've been in the spotlight
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SMSgt Frank Yukon
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Article 15 for an E-9 missing an appointment??? Are you serious?? Maybe the Article 15 will prevent promotion to E-10?? Go figure :)
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SMSgt Frank Yukon
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E-9 getting Article 15 for missing an appointment. Really?? Maybe the Article 15 will prevent the Soldier from being promoted to E-10.
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The bottom line is you have an appointed duty place. Your responsibility is there. The UCMJ is to make you aware of being irresponsible.
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SGT Jason Arnold
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You might have been sitting on the Cat3/Cat4 list. Which makes you non-deployable. Which means that 15 min appt. you missed has a bigger visibility than you might think. :/
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I agree with CPT. Warren and with many of the other comments above. Medical services need to be provided for all SM's regardless of cost. This is a duty of the services to take care of their personel. This must be provided cost effectively in order to be good stewards of tax dollars. But, not provided as per the civilian model. Sure the civilian model is much more efficient and cost effective but this model is risk aversive and will not provide care that might result in litigation; military physicians might take a chance to fix a problem rather than leave someone disabled. As well civilian documentation is usually sparse as these providers must turn patients over fast. Military and VA physicians must document very carefully and completely otherwise any future disability claim with the VA may be compromised resulting in lost benefits when you may most need them. Just some thoughts on prior comments.
As far as UCMJ for missed appointments; this should be a last resort. Given so many reasons for missing appointments from misguided leaders not allowing the SM to attend due to mission priorities (only mission priority should be SM'S health), not providing transportation as a priority, not reminding SM that the appointment is their duty location that day and not tracking attendance like sick call. If after reminders and providing time an transportation the SM misses his duty assignment without good reason and without notifying his chain of such in advance or being unable to, then discipline may be warranted with each situation evaluated individually and demonstrating willfully negligent behavior. Also be advised that all physicians get overbooked or not given enough time to provide the treatment necessary and thus physician's can normally run late.
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