Posted on Aug 27, 2021
In your opinion, how has the military changed from the 1960s and 1970s until the present day?
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For those of you who have a history with the military, do you think the changes have been beneficial or detrimental?
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I was in the Army in the 70's after Vietnam. In those days the Army was much less technologically advanced. We wore steel pots, body armor was rare, and we carried just plain M16s with iron sights. No knee pads or sunglasses. I think technological improvement is beneficial, but I worry that it might cause character and unity of purpose to be undervalued. I think our recent defeat by the Tailiban should encourage us to see what they had that we didn't.
The Army was less political then. We trained for war. We weren't tasked with fighting climate change or promoting social justice. There was less concern about soldiers' personal preference. It was the Army way or the highway. You frequently heard "That sounds like a personal problem to me." There was a consensus that our being members of a band of soldiers with one central mission overrode considerations of race or ethnicity. I think many of these changes have been detrimental because they distract from the core mission of defeating America's enemies and focusing too much on the individual's wishes detracts from esprit de corps.
Women had a much rawer deal back then. I understand that sexual harassment was much less likely to be taken seriously by the chain of command, and women just had to deal with it themselves. Now the Army takes it seriously. This is definitely beneficial.
The Army was less political then. We trained for war. We weren't tasked with fighting climate change or promoting social justice. There was less concern about soldiers' personal preference. It was the Army way or the highway. You frequently heard "That sounds like a personal problem to me." There was a consensus that our being members of a band of soldiers with one central mission overrode considerations of race or ethnicity. I think many of these changes have been detrimental because they distract from the core mission of defeating America's enemies and focusing too much on the individual's wishes detracts from esprit de corps.
Women had a much rawer deal back then. I understand that sexual harassment was much less likely to be taken seriously by the chain of command, and women just had to deal with it themselves. Now the Army takes it seriously. This is definitely beneficial.
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SGT Andrew Anderson
Thank you for the input, your comment sounds pretty much how things look to me. There are many things in the military today that I wish we had during my time in, on the other hand there are so many things about today’s military I don’t understand, like soldiers saying they will refuse to be vaccinated for COVID, I can’t ever remember anyone ever asking me if I wanted to get vaccinated, I was told I would get vaccinated! But it’s a different time and a different century. Thanks for your input and service!
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SPC David Roberts
I can't believe soldiers are refusing to get vaccinated. When did we ever have an choice on that? In Basic they could have been shooting piss and vinegar in my arms for all I knew. My job was to hold still and be quiet.
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SGT Randall Smith
Roberts: I like your comment, " It's a personal problem". But what we used more often in the 60's was, " 'Tell it to the chaplain".
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MAJ Byron Oyler
I had the chance to start my service with equipment from Vietnam era (LBE, no armor), then progressed to everyone with a flak vest to full upper body armor. They shorten the back of the kevlar to make it easier to shoot prone but exposing the brainstem (most important part of brain). As an ICU/ER, I am not sure today is better. More wounds come from a flak vest than 7.62x39 shots and slowing my ass down to get away from flak does not protect my legs or brainstem. The only thing I wish I had in '92 is the knee pads. I am teaching my son to shoot iron sights before he gets optics.
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I can't begin to compare. I served in Vietnam and came home to the VOLAR army. But believe me CONEX counseling was the theme of the day if you screwed up. A lot of old timers NCO's earned their stripes under the old blood strip environment. And they wouldn't hesitate to lay hands on. The Army was changing from straight leg infantry to mechanized. I served my first stateside duty at Ft. Carson. They had the modern barracks, with beer machines in them. That caused a lot of problems for the 1st Sgt. I hated it. I had to do my first re-enlistment to get out if there and go to the 9th Infantry at Ft. Lewis. They were the last Straight Leg Infantry Division in the Army. Had a good life in the military. However as years passed, it got much more lax than I was use to. Did 3 years as a Drill at Ft. Dix, and that was a wake up for me. Only hands on when there was absolutely no one around. But that always got their attention. Compared to what our brave soldiers face today, with the BS rules of engagement, and what's going on in Afghanistan, disgust me. The civilian leadership just hung us out to dry. West Pointers, who you could count on for Duty, Honor, Country, now are political. Those 3 words mean nothing to them. Not like they use to when I was in. By the way, I got out in 1992. Gays were not allowed in the military then, they are now. Enough said.
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SGT Randall Smith
SPC David Roberts - When I got to Germany in 1966, my first assignment after "AIT, the only way we got beer in the barracks was to sneak it in. There was NO booze allowed in the barracks. My first Article 15 was for hitting a Spc 5 over the head with a hard German beer bottle. It helped me that it was his beer bottle and he was drink and hit me first. In Nam as a E5 I could but hard liquor and I had coupons for 4 six packs of beer a month. I could not drink the beer. Capt. Mac would have the pilots bring him back Schtz from Can Tho but all we could but was Ballentine or Lucky Lager. Would rather drink Bam d Ba. Thinking about it later, that was dangerous. We were armed with weapons and ammo at all times.
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1SG Frank Boynton
So in 72-76 I was at Ft. Carson. The VOLAR army was in full swing. Each unit had their own distinctive head gear. I was 11B but assigned to the 6th Bn 32nd Armor. Our headgear was a gold colored baseball cap with black bill. It had a black triangle and you put pined your rank on it with a white background so everyone could see the rank. This was me being recognized as soldier of the quarter by my company commander Cpt. Carpenter. Sorry for the quality the picture, it’s been abused some.
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1SG Frank Boynton
Sorry that was the end of 72 until early 75. Had to re-enlist to get out of there.
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One thing that has definitely changed for the better: Tobacco use is not recognized as the danger that it really is. Smoking is no longer permitted in Federal Buildings.
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Sgt Michael Creason
I'd go along with the stress release, it was a customary break activity in the 70s. As for the cost, matter of opinion I guess, I'm about to hit 66, still smoke to this day and still kicking. I'll probably go out with a lighter in my pocket.
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A1C Robert Underwood
That's why everything is like it is, can't smoke can't drink, can't say anything for fear of offending someone! Yes drinking, smoking, and saying what ya mean will kill ya. Better than holding everything in and have your head explode. Good talk, everyone have a good day and a better tomorrow.
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