Posted on Feb 2, 2022
What advice do you have for someone being accused of having an improper relationship? What is the worst that can happen to me?
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So I definitely screwed the pooch on this one long story short I'm in a situation where I am being considered for a UCMJ for an improper relationship with a soldier.
I am a promotable E5 who just got to Germany four months ago because of Covid I haven't been able to really meet a lot of people in the company however I knew that Soldier was a E1 one who was getting out of the army.
Three months of being here I saw the said soldier working at Popeyes on Post in a Popeyes uniform with a beard out of regulations I asked him why he was working there and not at work and he told me he was out the army at the time he told me that he got his DD 214 signed and he was pretty much just a civilian in the area now.
The soldier also had an apartment already off post and I just assumed especially when he showed me his DD 214 that he was out.
He invited me to his DD 214 party and I went because I knew civilians there that I was friends with and I drank alcohol which led me to not want to drive so I stayed on his couch. I ended up oversleeping and my plt SGT came looking for me and a soldier within my unit who was kind of being spiteful told him that they thought I lived with him which is not true and so they went to his home and found me there.
Soon after I was counseled for UCMJ for a improper relationship I put on the counseling that I was under the impression that soldier was no longer a soldier. That I was there for his DD 214 party and overslept.
The flag just recently got initiated but now I'm in a place of anxiety because they are making it seem as tho this discharged soldier is still in the army although I was under the impression that he was out and he signed the DD 214 and that was it.
Because this discharged soldier is just an acquaintance once all this start happening I completely stop speaking to him however I am now beginning to wonder if he wasn't completely finaled out at the time or what but I'm now worried about what's gonna happen with me I have been in the army for over nine years so at this point if I was to get to demoted I would have to RCP.
Mind you I've never had a counseling before this is my first counseling and i'm completely new to the unit.
Within my career of being in the army I've never purposely had a improper relationships so this really is hitting home for me because if I knew the soldier was still in the army I would definitely have not went but now I'm in this situation and I'm just trying to see what's the worst that can happen and also any advice or anything?
I am a promotable E5 who just got to Germany four months ago because of Covid I haven't been able to really meet a lot of people in the company however I knew that Soldier was a E1 one who was getting out of the army.
Three months of being here I saw the said soldier working at Popeyes on Post in a Popeyes uniform with a beard out of regulations I asked him why he was working there and not at work and he told me he was out the army at the time he told me that he got his DD 214 signed and he was pretty much just a civilian in the area now.
The soldier also had an apartment already off post and I just assumed especially when he showed me his DD 214 that he was out.
He invited me to his DD 214 party and I went because I knew civilians there that I was friends with and I drank alcohol which led me to not want to drive so I stayed on his couch. I ended up oversleeping and my plt SGT came looking for me and a soldier within my unit who was kind of being spiteful told him that they thought I lived with him which is not true and so they went to his home and found me there.
Soon after I was counseled for UCMJ for a improper relationship I put on the counseling that I was under the impression that soldier was no longer a soldier. That I was there for his DD 214 party and overslept.
The flag just recently got initiated but now I'm in a place of anxiety because they are making it seem as tho this discharged soldier is still in the army although I was under the impression that he was out and he signed the DD 214 and that was it.
Because this discharged soldier is just an acquaintance once all this start happening I completely stop speaking to him however I am now beginning to wonder if he wasn't completely finaled out at the time or what but I'm now worried about what's gonna happen with me I have been in the army for over nine years so at this point if I was to get to demoted I would have to RCP.
Mind you I've never had a counseling before this is my first counseling and i'm completely new to the unit.
Within my career of being in the army I've never purposely had a improper relationships so this really is hitting home for me because if I knew the soldier was still in the army I would definitely have not went but now I'm in this situation and I'm just trying to see what's the worst that can happen and also any advice or anything?
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Being at someone’s home does not account for improper relations. If you are giving the whole story, at the very best warrants a written counseling or reprimand.
If you had a deeper relationship than indicated you do have an issue. It is easy to prove someone’s separation date, you simply verify the information with the S1, and the former Soldiers orders and all should be fine. You do have to contend with the missed duty as you stated up front, your NCOIC had to come find you. There appears to be sone missing components here.
If you had a deeper relationship than indicated you do have an issue. It is easy to prove someone’s separation date, you simply verify the information with the S1, and the former Soldiers orders and all should be fine. You do have to contend with the missed duty as you stated up front, your NCOIC had to come find you. There appears to be sone missing components here.
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There really isn't anything missing unless they know something I don't know. The fact the discharged soldier was considered a menace i feel has made it personal. I didn't have a deeper relationship but I assume the perception of a soldier stating that I lived with him lead to this improper relationship situation. I haven't spoken to the discharged soldier since but I can only assume the soldier was celebrating signing
his DD 214 but not actually receiving his final one yet? I know the soldier is out but I didn't know his final date or separation date when I went. I am assuming that he possible got his final out paperwork after the date of his event and that's what their going with. Otherwise that was the first time I slept over his home let alone was acquainted with him.
his DD 214 but not actually receiving his final one yet? I know the soldier is out but I didn't know his final date or separation date when I went. I am assuming that he possible got his final out paperwork after the date of his event and that's what their going with. Otherwise that was the first time I slept over his home let alone was acquainted with him.
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CSM Darieus ZaGara
I am sure you are correct that there are perceptions associated with the other Soldiers comment. I would request an audience with the 1SG and Co. explain yourself and own whatever. Intake was actually made. Remind them of your performance, commitment and loyalty. I hope this works in your favor. 1910871:SGT Indigo Pulle
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Look young'un, being accused and being found guilty are 2 different things. See if you can get statements from the other fellow, see if he is actually out. Most importantly see JAg!
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Worst thing? UCMJ with possible loss if rank (depending on how bad they wanna push it). That being said, if it can be proven that the 214 is valid and discharge orders are in place, then the inappropriate relationship charge is moot. Now, as for being late, that's on you. I applaud you for not drinking and driving, but since you clearly had to work the next day and missed work call, that's on you. I recommend you seek JAG time now. Or, if you want to wait (I don't recommend this), wait until the Article 15 is read to you and you're given your time to get your defense lined up. Again, if the 214 and discharge orders are in place for that other person, then you should be good on that.
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