Posted on Jul 11, 2016
If more white people was killed by police than African Americans why are they protesting?
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"Police killed at least 102 unarmed black people in 2015, nearly twice each week. Nearly 1 in 3 black people killed by police in 2015 were identified as unarmed, though the actual number is likely higher due to underreporting37% of unarmed people killed by police were black in 2015 despite black people being only 13% of the U.S. population. Unarmed black people were killed at 5x the rate of unarmed whites in 2015
Only 10 of the 102 cases in 2015 where an unarmed black person was killed by police resulted in officer(s) being charged with a crime, and only 2 of these deaths (Matthew Ajibade and Eric Harris) resulted in convictions of officers involved. Only 1 of 2 officers convicted for their involvement in Matthew Ajibade's death received jail time. He was sentenced to 1 year in jail and allowed to serve this time exclusively on weekends. Deputy Bates, who killed Eric Harris, was sentenced May 31." All information was provided by http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/
Only 10 of the 102 cases in 2015 where an unarmed black person was killed by police resulted in officer(s) being charged with a crime, and only 2 of these deaths (Matthew Ajibade and Eric Harris) resulted in convictions of officers involved. Only 1 of 2 officers convicted for their involvement in Matthew Ajibade's death received jail time. He was sentenced to 1 year in jail and allowed to serve this time exclusively on weekends. Deputy Bates, who killed Eric Harris, was sentenced May 31." All information was provided by http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/
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This discussion is proof that figures lie and liars figure.
One can word the statistic in a way to suit one's argument. In fact it was done fairly well here.
The final word is why are people being killed? Try to take a officer's weapon and you will very probably fail and may well die in the process. If I am trying to take the officer's weapon and I die in the process, am I considered unarmed?
If I am fighting and am large enough to prevail (or are prevailing) and I get shot am I an innocent unarmed person?
If I am injured or killed by the police while I am resisting arrest and presenting a viable threat to my self or others, is my death because I am (white, black, red, yellow, or anything else) or because I am being non compliant and showing my self to be dangerous?
One can word the statistic in a way to suit one's argument. In fact it was done fairly well here.
The final word is why are people being killed? Try to take a officer's weapon and you will very probably fail and may well die in the process. If I am trying to take the officer's weapon and I die in the process, am I considered unarmed?
If I am fighting and am large enough to prevail (or are prevailing) and I get shot am I an innocent unarmed person?
If I am injured or killed by the police while I am resisting arrest and presenting a viable threat to my self or others, is my death because I am (white, black, red, yellow, or anything else) or because I am being non compliant and showing my self to be dangerous?
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CPL Zach Spurloch
LEO's should have the right to defend themselves. They have no idea what a person charging them is capable of, however, what ever happened to disabling an aggressor? Why is every shot center mass? Why not aim for the knee caps?
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Unarmed? Really, McCain? There is no such thing. Any man who can punch, kick, choke etc... Is armed. Black commit more crimes than whites and Hispanics combined! THAT is why blacks have more run ins with cops. Blacks are also more likely to resist arrest. Black makes make up 6% of the US population, but commit 52% of all violent crimes.
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Not to mention the fact that when police arrive on the scene, there is always a weapon involved- the Officer's.
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It is disingenuous to suggest that blacks are deliberately being targeted if your statistics don't also reflect the frequency at which blacks commit crimes, the nature of violence and degree of violence associated with the crimes committed, and the behavior and aggression exhibited by the suspect which led to the escalation, etc.
When you factor all that in I believe you will find that police are more likely to want to avoid a confrontation altogether but more likely to shoot if they feel threatened seeing as groups like BLM and NBPP have declared open season on the police. Seems to me to be a self inflicted wound. The black community would do better to focus their energy on building their communities rather than tearing them down. And they would do well to get rid of this crazy notion that all their problems were caused by others and that it is the gov't's responsibility to fix everything for them and provide for all their needs.
When you factor all that in I believe you will find that police are more likely to want to avoid a confrontation altogether but more likely to shoot if they feel threatened seeing as groups like BLM and NBPP have declared open season on the police. Seems to me to be a self inflicted wound. The black community would do better to focus their energy on building their communities rather than tearing them down. And they would do well to get rid of this crazy notion that all their problems were caused by others and that it is the gov't's responsibility to fix everything for them and provide for all their needs.
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SPC James Harsh
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database According to the gaurdian.com in 2015 of "unarmed", 79 unarmed blacks were killed by police and 103 unarmed whites were killed by police.
The Counted: people killed by police in the United States – interactive
The Guardian has been counting the people killed by US law enforcement agencies since 2015. Read their stories and contribute to our ongoing, crowdsourced project
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SGT Emmanuel Cabahug
2LT (Join to see) - The statistics doesn't take into account the reasons behind it.
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However, if you look at other variables like how many deaths were caused by certain demographics, both inside and outside of the law enforcement community, though you will see the black demographic is still by far the most targeted, the demographic of the shooter also tends to share the same demographic. This isn't a law enforcement problem. This is a violence problem..
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The only responses I'm gong to give to this are:
Only someone who is either intellectually dishonest, or someone who lacks intelligence, would think that "unarmed" (meaning "no firearm") equates to "harmless" or "not a danger."
*Most* whites that do protest, do so without looting, burning, destroying, blocking traffic, or threatening an entire community (all of which are illegal). *Most* whites that protest do so by appearing at city (town hall) meetings, writing op-ed pieces for the local newspapers, calling their city government - in general, doing things in a legal manner - in ways that historically bring about changes without bringing degrading views about our efforts to effect change.
There is also the fact that if whites organized groups and called them things like "white lives matter", they'd be viewed as even more racist than they're already accused of being, merely because of the color of their skin.
Okay - I'm done with this thread.
Only someone who is either intellectually dishonest, or someone who lacks intelligence, would think that "unarmed" (meaning "no firearm") equates to "harmless" or "not a danger."
*Most* whites that do protest, do so without looting, burning, destroying, blocking traffic, or threatening an entire community (all of which are illegal). *Most* whites that protest do so by appearing at city (town hall) meetings, writing op-ed pieces for the local newspapers, calling their city government - in general, doing things in a legal manner - in ways that historically bring about changes without bringing degrading views about our efforts to effect change.
There is also the fact that if whites organized groups and called them things like "white lives matter", they'd be viewed as even more racist than they're already accused of being, merely because of the color of their skin.
Okay - I'm done with this thread.
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LCpl Timothy McCain
Well let's examine your response. As a veteran if you killed a Unarmed person you will be court-martialed. To the second part of your statement. During the protest that are going on there are no looting going on and white people are in fact a part of the protest. Black people have been writing articles and participating in town hall meetings for years. And other part of the post make no sense. Do to the fact that the system that is being protested against was created by white people for the benefit of white people.
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PO1 Joseph Glennon
Corrections:
As a veteran, if I killed an unarmed person, the situation would be the same as if I'd killed an armed person - same questions asked, same requirements present: an "unarmed" person can kill and destroy, too. In fact, the majority of violent crimes (including murder), are committed by "unarmed" people. And, no - I wouldn't face a court martial. I'm a veteran, I'm not active duty. I'm retired from the military... the only way that a military court martial would even enter the picture would be if I committed said crime on a military installation - and, even then, I'd be looking at a Federal court rather than a military tribunal.
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"During the protests that are going on, there are no looting..."
Stop. For you to make the claim that there are "no" instances of looting demonstrates (as I predicted) a lack of intellectual honesty. It's not happening everywhere, but it is happening.
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"...white people are in fact part of the protest."
Are you having problems with the definition of "most"?
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"Black people have been writing articles and participating in town hall meetings for years."
And the smart ones still are. There have been changes for the better, with the exception of the last 7 years or so, for the past five decades.
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" And other part of the post make no sense. Do to the fact that the system that is being protested against was created by white people for the benefit of white people."
*Due to the fact that the system that was developed was for *all* our citizens (despite the fact that some folks are elected into office who aim to keep groups of people dependent on the government and unable / lulled into being unwilling to take charge of their own lives). Any intelligent person realizes or comes to understand that divisive tactics and policies are destructive to the population as a whole, not to just the smaller percentage that are being demonized.
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You said that it doesn't make sense that I said if there was a group called "white lives matter" it would be called racist? You disagree? Or you can't understand? (Imagine a "Congressional White Caucus" ... would you be outraged? Would you say there's some prejudice happening? Would you say that the members are putting race in front of country? If you're intellectually honest, you would...and, then you'd understand that substituting "black" for "white" in those instances does not remove the racist and divisive content and self-segregation.)
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As a veteran, if I killed an unarmed person, the situation would be the same as if I'd killed an armed person - same questions asked, same requirements present: an "unarmed" person can kill and destroy, too. In fact, the majority of violent crimes (including murder), are committed by "unarmed" people. And, no - I wouldn't face a court martial. I'm a veteran, I'm not active duty. I'm retired from the military... the only way that a military court martial would even enter the picture would be if I committed said crime on a military installation - and, even then, I'd be looking at a Federal court rather than a military tribunal.
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"During the protests that are going on, there are no looting..."
Stop. For you to make the claim that there are "no" instances of looting demonstrates (as I predicted) a lack of intellectual honesty. It's not happening everywhere, but it is happening.
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"...white people are in fact part of the protest."
Are you having problems with the definition of "most"?
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"Black people have been writing articles and participating in town hall meetings for years."
And the smart ones still are. There have been changes for the better, with the exception of the last 7 years or so, for the past five decades.
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" And other part of the post make no sense. Do to the fact that the system that is being protested against was created by white people for the benefit of white people."
*Due to the fact that the system that was developed was for *all* our citizens (despite the fact that some folks are elected into office who aim to keep groups of people dependent on the government and unable / lulled into being unwilling to take charge of their own lives). Any intelligent person realizes or comes to understand that divisive tactics and policies are destructive to the population as a whole, not to just the smaller percentage that are being demonized.
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You said that it doesn't make sense that I said if there was a group called "white lives matter" it would be called racist? You disagree? Or you can't understand? (Imagine a "Congressional White Caucus" ... would you be outraged? Would you say there's some prejudice happening? Would you say that the members are putting race in front of country? If you're intellectually honest, you would...and, then you'd understand that substituting "black" for "white" in those instances does not remove the racist and divisive content and self-segregation.)
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102 is a large numbe, but I read somewhere online that more whites die by police than blacks, but that's neither here nor there, we all human. Regardless if they were armed or not is irrelevant, but the true relevant questions you have to ask is 1. What were the circumstances that led the officer or officers to draw their weapons? 2. If they had to discharge their weapon, was it justified? I'm not saying that the recent shootings were justified, but I can tell you for a fact that both situations could have been prevented simply if both guys just would have listened and complied with directions. I been in this type of situation countless of times and I'm still alive today for the mere fact that I complied to police commands.
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We are tired of this type of thing happening also. Whether it be racial profiling (it's only considered that if you're wrong) or just being leery due to past experience or history. We are TIRED of watching gun violence due to stupidity. Those of us who carry legally are getting the RAW deal by people crying for gun control. Where does the majority of gun violence stem? Just a question to ponder!
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PO1 Joseph Glennon
Stop calling it "gun violence." There's no such thing. There's violent crime, and crimes committed by someone using a firearm as their weapon of choice...but, firearms are the weapons chosen by the minority of violent criminals.
By accepting the phrase "gun violence", you're providing validation to the "gun grabbers" ... the gun is an inanimate object. Motive and action are both provided by an individual, a person.
By accepting the phrase "gun violence", you're providing validation to the "gun grabbers" ... the gun is an inanimate object. Motive and action are both provided by an individual, a person.
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Cop in the Hood: Police kill white people, too
I am sure that police kill whites but how many innocent whites have they killed and gotten away with that is the real question.
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LCpl Hilton Hoskins
I think you're missing the point. Nobody never said that police don't kill White people too. TSgt, this is the kind of crap we're talking about. Part of what the movement about is police brutality no matter what color or race you are. Police is a problem, racial profiling is a problem. They are problems that need to be address and dealt with and that's the whole point.
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