Posted on Jul 11, 2016
LCpl Timothy McCain
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"Police killed at least 102 unarmed black people in 2015, nearly twice each week. Nearly 1 in 3 black people killed by police in 2015 were identified as unarmed, though the actual number is likely higher due to underreporting37% of unarmed people killed by police were black in 2015 despite black people being only 13% of the U.S. population. Unarmed black people were killed at 5x the rate of unarmed whites in 2015

Only 10 of the 102 cases in 2015 where an unarmed black person was killed by police resulted in officer(s) being charged with a crime, and only 2 of these deaths (Matthew Ajibade and Eric Harris) resulted in convictions of officers involved. Only 1 of 2 officers convicted for their involvement in Matthew Ajibade's death received jail time. He was sentenced to 1 year in jail and allowed to serve this time exclusively on weekends. Deputy Bates, who killed Eric Harris, was sentenced May 31." All information was provided by http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/
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SPC James Harsh
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13% of the population comprises a significant portion of the populations violent crime and homicides. Areas of concentrated race also reflect the higher percentages. Not all police officers that shoot blacks are white. Hispanics are commonly considered white as well. The rate of violent crime and homicide including hispanics as the fbi does is close to 70% however to seperate whites from hispanics would change that number. For 13% of the population blacks account for 30% of violent crime and homicide so consider the concentrated communities as well. When felony crimes occur and not petty stuff situations lawfully police become elevated. One of the best things that's happening now is the community-based policing effort with cops that reflect the communities they serve, it still happens though even when the police are ethnically diverse.
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LCpl Timothy McCain
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. Remember remember African Americans are 10 times more likely to be stopped arrested and charged. Even though the police may not have evidence to support the charges. This is especially true in New York city, LA, Oakland, New Jersey, Baltimore, Philadelphia and Austin TX. How it works is they charge you with a crime and hold without bail until you plea to a lesser crime. NYC is easy to track because of the speedy Trial law. In a violent crime or murder case the case must go to trial in six months. But 60% of murder case involving African Americans never see court. Because they hold the individual for up to three years attempting to force a plea deal. Because they have no physical evidence and very weak physical evidence and even weaker circumstantial evidence linking the individual to the crime. The cases where they go to trial are the cases where the evidence is strong. And only about 40%. With white suspects nearly 70% go to trial in six months. The other 30% are dropped cases or held up by the defense. NYC pay out on average $400 million in false arrest claims each year. But federal charts do take into consideration final disposition. Also they don't adjust for cases where the officers are known to plant evidence and falsified reports. Which is common practice in the NYPD, Philadelphia PD, Austin PD, and Oakland PD. In fact Nearly all of Oakland PD senior staff was at one point resigning behind a scandal. But I'm going to give credit where credit is due. The Dallas PD have found away to reduce crime and be less aggressive with the people. When a police chief demands a high level of integrity and excellence from his department and organizes community involvement in the police department it makes everyone more comfortable with the police and makes it easier for the officers to serve.
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PO1 Joseph Glennon
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LCpl Timothy McCain - Excuses? Those are facts. The system is "rigged" to work for those who participate.

If it's not working for you, what's your excuse for shirking your civic duty?
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PO1 Joseph Glennon - yes I've noticed. The police policy change during Republican leadership. For example NYPD changed their methods of policing during the Bloomberg Administration. Arrest when up but the violent crime rate also went up. Then department started to cook the books. The wouldn't investigate assult and battery complaints, robbery complaints, drug complaints, and larceny complaints in the wealthy communities. They would throw out thousands of complaints made in those neighborhoods. This was exposed by the local news network.
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LCpl Hilton Hoskins
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LCpl Timothy McCain, don't waste your breath, he just like the rest of these guys with the statistics comments will never get it. They would rather live in their fantasy world in which everyone White is good and everybody of color is bad. They would rather let somebody tell them what to think like good little minions instead of having the balls to get out there and find out the truth for themselves. They would rather accept that no police could be the bad guy and that they are only doing their job and anybody of color who is brutalized by the police deserves it. They would rather see people as statistics than as people, that way it makes it easier for them to sleep at night. They don't want to even fathom that people of color have to have a talk with their kids about how to interact with the police because they don't have to have that same talk with their kids. It's not worth trying to reason with people who would rather act like we are not there except for when it benefits them. One of the most hurtful things is a reply from a 2LT on here saying, "I'm glad that you weren't one of the statistics." It might have been a joke to him but it was an insult to me as to implying that I wasn't supposed to make it because of my race or the neighborhood I grew up in, it was just the same as being told "it's not our fault you were born the wrong color." LCpl McCain you have a lot of wisdom don't waste it on those who refuse it. Like the saying goes, "never toss your pearls before swine." There are a lot of other people commenting here that want to benefit from your knowledge, it might be better if you interact with them.
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PO1 Joseph Glennon
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LCpl Hilton Hoskins - You've assumed quite a lot there... and, even junior personnel in the military don't have to have that broken down for them.

Here's the thing - I believe that all innocent lives are sacred. I believe that the people whom we give positions of authority should be held to a higher standard; that we should raise our children to obey those in a position of authority over them.

At the point in life where I find myself, I've experienced a broad array of "life events" - I know that the only difference - physiologically - between the "races" is the amount of pigmentation in the skin. Culturally, though, there are huge differences (which are not specifically defined by so-called "race").

Statistics, when used properly, show trends and likelihoods. When used improperly (meaning, when not all factors of a kind are included in the reporting), they present a false picture. That's one of the reasons that you want to use the most credible sources possible for gathering your information. If you find one source that gives a geometrically different picture than all of the other sources - odds are, you've found a scam... if none of the sources that you find agree, a smart person would start to accumulate the original data, and crunch the numbers himself.

I think that if you go to the source of the numbers rather than a site that uses a bias to filter the numbers before they present them, you will find that your own numbers don't agree with the ones you're presenting to us as "truth" or "proof" currently.
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PO2 Robert Cuminale
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Blame the media which prefers to report what will advance its agenda. The agenda right now is to destroy police effectiveness by claiming they are racists.
The Times is also very anti-gun. You will never see a story about someone defending themselves with a gun.
If you read the NY Times there is a bleeding heart story about those poor illegal aliens being deported at least once a month. Most people don't know that the Times is bankrupt and is being supported by Carlos Slim, a Mexican cell phone service billionaire. Mr. Slim's family is actually Arab and you'll see nothing bad about them either.
Times readers consider themselves the smartest guys on the block. To the contrary they are t=one of the least informed. In the last two weeks there have been hundreds of comments about how the GOP has banned guns at their convention with thousands recommending the comments.
It would never dawn on these people to check and learn that convention centers are city owned and it is the cities which have banned guns.
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SGT Anthony Fryxell
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Let me start this off when I say all lives Matter, we have learned that from the beginning of are training as members of the US Military, but that is the military. I don't know how many time I have helped another service member with things in and out of uniform and race never crossed my mind. The news station only give you what they want to give you. I believe in freedom of speech, and the rights that have been given to us to be able to do so. We see all the rallies because of someone was shot and killed, yes it is sad that someone died. These rallies have several hundred some time thousands of people. Why do these people(black or white) not band together to help the police get these criminals of the street. Report the drug dealers, and other criminal activity. That would they would have to get involved. Most people are a danger to themselves and just don't realize it.
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Capt Mark Strobl
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LCpl Timothy McCain - Where are your statistics reflecting those killed by police who were "armed." Can we presuppose that the balance of those (all races) killed by police were armed? Anyway, the Huffington Post suggests your statistics are flawed, at best (see article). My point: Your statistics are only as good as your source. To this, you might want to gather more information prior to pulling the pin on a s*** grenade.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/campaign-zero-debunks-police-killings-myth_us_5678c575e4b014efe0d6a2cd
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LCpl Timothy McCain
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No one protest those unless they can see what happened.
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Capt Mark Strobl
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LCpl Timothy McCain - Are you suggesting that protests are warranted for those police shootings of armed suspects?
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I did. Remember remember African Americans are 10 times more likely to be stopped arrested and charged. Even though the police may not have evidence to support the charges. This is especially true in New York city, LA, Oakland, New Jersey, Baltimore, Philadelphia and Austin TX. How it works is they charge you with a crime and hold without bail until you plea to a lesser crime. NYC is easy to track because of the speedy Trial law. In a violent crime or murder case the case must go to trial in six months. But 60% of murder case involving African Americans never see court. Because they hold the individual for up to three years attempting to force a plea deal. Because they have no physical evidence and very weak physical evidence and even weaker circumstantial evidence linking the individual to the crime. The cases where they go to trial are the cases where the evidence is strong. And only about 40%. With white suspects nearly 70% go to trial in six months. The other 30% are dropped cases or held up by the defense. NYC pay out on average $400 million in false arrest claims each year. But federal charts do take into consideration final disposition.
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CPL Zach Spurloch
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Are blacks being shot more because of their race/ where they live, or is it just media hype? I personally know quite a few that have been arrested because it was in the cops/prosecutors best interest to do so. Does not mean it was legal or just? Most people just decide to take the plea, because it will get them out of jail sooner than trying to fight an unjust system. This is what they are taught by those in their communities. It is a serious problem. Racial profiling does exist, as does profiling by economic status. I don't believe the fault lies all with the cops/ prosecutors. As always, it is the ones "Pulling The Strings".
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They're protesting because they are left wing terrorists. This has nothing to do with blacks. They are being used. Stop wasting your time with facts because the left couldn't care less about them... People need to wake up. http://revcom.us/
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Here, see for yourself where the next terrorist assassinations are most likely to happen...http://www.stoppoliceterror.org/
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Sgt William Themann
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/
IDK where mapping police violence gets it's data but you can't get more Left Wing Liberal than the Wash. Post, so if they are posting the data below ya gotta give it some credence since it goes against their PC editorial stance.
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PO3 Steven Sherrill
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LCpl Timothy McCain this is more a social commentary than anything else. Look at locations, violent crime, poverty, and unemployment. You will see that the areas that have the highest poverty also have the highest violent crime rate. You will also find that the minority population in these areas far exceeds the national average. Realistically if we truly want to see changes, we need a shift in this nation. The country needs to transition back to a nation of producers instead of a nation of consumers. If we started making things here instead of outsourcing it to China, Vietnam, Korea, Pakistan, India, and other nations with cheap, expendable labor then things would by default change here. If you want evidence of this, look at the city of Detroit. Detroit once was a testament to American industry. Now it is a broken city with some neighborhoods so bad that the police will not even go into them. A Broken city with run down buildings, empty lots, and other reminders of a once great American tradition. Think about what would happen if instead of abject poverty, we had manufacturing, agricultural, and service jobs in those neighborhoods. Replace poverty with productivity. Replace despair with hope. Replace crime with community pride. Then see where those numbers go.
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According to the DoJ, 385 people have been killed THIS year by police; 171 white, 100 black, the rest are Hispanic/other. Of the 596 people killed last year, more than half were white. A better question might be why 80% of the crime is committed by 13% of the population. I understand that the media only covers OIS when it is a minority.

As a police officer on the civilian side, do i perceive situations & and people differently? Yup, guilty. If I'm on a traffic stop at 0200 and there are 4x males in the car you bet your ass I'm going to approach that car differently, regardless of race.

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Here's the other thing that I don't think you understand. There is a difference between a "call for service" and a traffic stop. During a traffic stop, the police take or don't take action based on observations during the stop. When cops get a "call for service" that means that someone has called the cops. A couple of things are happening while enroute to that call. 1. the dispatcher is getting information from the caller. 2. the cop is getting information from the dispatcher.

So what information is the cop receiving?

1. Address history (how many times have the police been called to that particular address)

2. criminal histories (if any) in reference to the parties involved. This would include any current, extraditable warrants.

3. Tendencies- This is local and added into the NCIC database which is nationwide. This is in reference to whether a subject is known to carry, has a drug history, known to resist, known to assault police etc.

All of these things are factored together when a cop makes contact with the reporting party and the subject of the call, and dictate how he initially handles the call. It goes from there.
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