Posted on Dec 12, 2015
If Donald Trump is elected President, would it be more honorable to resign from service or to serve under his "leadership"?
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
It would not be more honorable in any circumstances. Honor is not dignified nor rated by the man or woman serving as CIC. We do what we do for America, for our liberty and freedom! When my son was assigned to the White Communications Agency he asked me if I would be upset. He knew I was not a supporter of the current POTUS. But I told my son it did not matter who was the CIC, we are there to protect and serve that office. That personnel feelings had to be left behind and to just serve with honor. I have served from President Carter all the way through to President George W. Bush and never gave a thought to leaving because of my political views. If anyone even has those thoughts they should hang it up know for they are serving for the wrong reasons.
It would not be more honorable in any circumstances. Honor is not dignified nor rated by the man or woman serving as CIC. We do what we do for America, for our liberty and freedom! When my son was assigned to the White Communications Agency he asked me if I would be upset. He knew I was not a supporter of the current POTUS. But I told my son it did not matter who was the CIC, we are there to protect and serve that office. That personnel feelings had to be left behind and to just serve with honor. I have served from President Carter all the way through to President George W. Bush and never gave a thought to leaving because of my political views. If anyone even has those thoughts they should hang it up know for they are serving for the wrong reasons.
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Why would you let him take away what you have achieved? You swore an oath to protect the Constitution, he does not validate you or your service, and the way to make a difference is to stay on task.
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Do you believe you can do more good in the system than outside the system?
Do you believe his presence and Powers (as outlined within the Constitution) will corrupt the system to the point where the Constitution is irredeemably flawed?
What level of direct "influence" (as opposed to Command) do you believe the President has on the Military as a whole?
Do you believe his presence and Powers (as outlined within the Constitution) will corrupt the system to the point where the Constitution is irredeemably flawed?
What level of direct "influence" (as opposed to Command) do you believe the President has on the Military as a whole?
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
While the question was really more rhetorical, thus the reason I didn't say, "should *I*" do this or that, I appreciate your measured and thoughtful response.
*I* know what I would do, or wouldn't do - the question was posed to spark the debate in the minds of others as well. And it's not just about Trump, as I think you allude to, it's about ANY leadership and ANY President.
*I* know what I would do, or wouldn't do - the question was posed to spark the debate in the minds of others as well. And it's not just about Trump, as I think you allude to, it's about ANY leadership and ANY President.
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I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
CSM Michael Poll In light of Candidate Trump's recent comments regarding torture of non-combatant family members - would you "obey the order" to torture non-combatant civilians if it came from your Commander? Or even from your Command in Chief?
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CSM Michael Poll
it would be the same if an other President gave an unlawful order.
The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) 809.ART.90 (20), makes it clear that military personnel need to obey the "lawful command of his superior officer," 891.ART.91 (2), the "lawful order of a warrant officer", 892.ART.92 (1) the "lawful general order", 892.ART.92 (2) "lawful order". In each case, military personnel have an obligation and a duty to only obey Lawful orders and indeed have an obligation to disobey Unlawful orders, including orders by the president that do not comply with the UCMJ. The moral and legal obligation is to the U.S. Constitution and not to those who would issue unlawful orders, especially if those orders are in direct violation of the Constitution and the UCMJ.
Why are we being childish. We know the answers. If President Obama told you to grab a weapon and kill unarmed children in the streets would you follow said order? Come on Major This was a silly question.
The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) 809.ART.90 (20), makes it clear that military personnel need to obey the "lawful command of his superior officer," 891.ART.91 (2), the "lawful order of a warrant officer", 892.ART.92 (1) the "lawful general order", 892.ART.92 (2) "lawful order". In each case, military personnel have an obligation and a duty to only obey Lawful orders and indeed have an obligation to disobey Unlawful orders, including orders by the president that do not comply with the UCMJ. The moral and legal obligation is to the U.S. Constitution and not to those who would issue unlawful orders, especially if those orders are in direct violation of the Constitution and the UCMJ.
Why are we being childish. We know the answers. If President Obama told you to grab a weapon and kill unarmed children in the streets would you follow said order? Come on Major This was a silly question.
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As many have already said, when I raised my hand it was to support and defend the Constitution. I guess if you feel you can no longer do that, then it's time to hang it up. I don't have to like the guy I work for to do my job.
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Hmm. Isn't there a section on the "I'd Really Like A Snowball's Chance of Making O5" exam on Asking Dopey Questions? LOL Happy Hooah Holidays all!
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I would say for you to resign. Thats one more good idea fairy officer that doesnt get it NOT IN UNIFORM so please leave the military. Good idea fairys have ruined the military the last 7 and a half years.
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The Thais have a saying....Up to you! I served under one of the worst POTUS in history, Carter. I finished my term of enlistment which was under another POTUS. If you are going to let the election of a POTUS determine your career path, then I question your ability as a leader.
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It appears as though you're not alone. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/16/pentagon-troops-it-s-us-or-trump.html
Pentagon Officers: We Quit if Trump Wins
The plans of the next president are personal to the officers of the Pentagon, who are threatening to retire if The Donald becomes commander-in-chief.
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
I'm sure they are all "whiny, pussy, yellow bellied cowards" - like I am for even bringing up the subject. =)
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