Posted on Jun 30, 2019
If a soldier fails a record APFT and does not take the next one with in the alloted time what happens? I'm talking like a couple of years?
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Soldier had 2 kids back to back.
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What happens?
They fail their first APFT. IF the CoC is doing their job and following regs as required the SM gets counseled and flagged and placed on remedial PT. Then it is by the regs as to when they have to take another for record APFT.
However medical conditions and subsequent profiles and regulations regarding such ie pregnancy, through wrinkles into the mix. A SM gets pregnant they are then under a physicians care and orders and as such prohibitive profiles if any. So they could easily float along the entire term of their pregnancy without having to take an APFT, flag in place and there is no adverse effect. Upon giving birth there is a "recovery" period they are allowed, I believe and then due to the regulations on profiles they are allowed 2x the length of the profile to recover and retrain and be considered fit to undergo an APFT.
In the meantime they get pregnant again. Rinse and repeat the above.
End result being that they should have been flagged from the first APFT failure. Until they are medically cleared to undergo an APFT then the flag remains. Command is sort of locked into what they cannot do, until cleared. Even they cannot violate a doctors orders and I believe a Med board option is out. I could be wrong.
Edit: Now in all this, the SM is flagged so any positive personnel actions are null and void. No awards, no schools, no promotions, no leave but this last is at command discretion and subject to the terms and exceptions of the female being pregnant and command decision. Once the child is born, then the SM has 6 months of not having to take an APFT
AR 40-501, 7-9 and 7-10
Upon a medically confirmed positive pregnancy test, a Soldier will be issued a physical profile (DA Form 3349) for the duration of the pregnancy and prenatal care will be initiated. Beginning on the date of termination of pregnancy or date of delivery, postpartum Soldiers will be issued a temporary postpartum profile for 45 days
They fail their first APFT. IF the CoC is doing their job and following regs as required the SM gets counseled and flagged and placed on remedial PT. Then it is by the regs as to when they have to take another for record APFT.
However medical conditions and subsequent profiles and regulations regarding such ie pregnancy, through wrinkles into the mix. A SM gets pregnant they are then under a physicians care and orders and as such prohibitive profiles if any. So they could easily float along the entire term of their pregnancy without having to take an APFT, flag in place and there is no adverse effect. Upon giving birth there is a "recovery" period they are allowed, I believe and then due to the regulations on profiles they are allowed 2x the length of the profile to recover and retrain and be considered fit to undergo an APFT.
In the meantime they get pregnant again. Rinse and repeat the above.
End result being that they should have been flagged from the first APFT failure. Until they are medically cleared to undergo an APFT then the flag remains. Command is sort of locked into what they cannot do, until cleared. Even they cannot violate a doctors orders and I believe a Med board option is out. I could be wrong.
Edit: Now in all this, the SM is flagged so any positive personnel actions are null and void. No awards, no schools, no promotions, no leave but this last is at command discretion and subject to the terms and exceptions of the female being pregnant and command decision. Once the child is born, then the SM has 6 months of not having to take an APFT
AR 40-501, 7-9 and 7-10
Upon a medically confirmed positive pregnancy test, a Soldier will be issued a physical profile (DA Form 3349) for the duration of the pregnancy and prenatal care will be initiated. Beginning on the date of termination of pregnancy or date of delivery, postpartum Soldiers will be issued a temporary postpartum profile for 45 days
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SSG Brian G. from my understanding, the unit said since she was pregnant during the time of the APFT its not vaild and didnt keep those records. I'm not sure she will be able to fight that if she has no documentation showing she passed.
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SSG Brian G.
PFC (Join to see) - How could they not keep it? They are entered into the database. They also had to have some record etc for S1 to even review.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
SSG Brian G. I am retired , and no longer have the regs at my fingertips, or I would provide them for you. But by regulation, leave is NOT a favorable action. Pass is a favorable action, but leave is not. It is, in essence, part of a Soldier's pay which is why it shows up on the LES). A Commander cannot deny leave based solely on a flag, any more than (s)he can take pay. That being said, the Commander absolutely CAN deny leave based on mission requirements.
If this is something you see happening, a visit to the IG may be in order.
If this is something you see happening, a visit to the IG may be in order.
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SGT Luis San Roman Jr
Under the new Army Directive 2016-07(Dated March 2016) When your profile expires so does your recovery time. Recovery time no longer exists. It was taken away to do away with those that were malingering and just chose not to rehabilitate themselves or sham out of certain duties.
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They'll be flagged (or should be flagged) and probably given a verbal order to take the next scheduled APFT. They should be counseled about what will happen if there is a 2nd time failure. After a 2 time APFT failure, by regulation you can be chaptered out. Now if the Soldier was not counseled & given an adequate APFT improvement plan by the Command, then they'll have something to speak with legal about, should the unit attempt to chapter the Soldier.
The Soldier deserves the right to have time to prepare for the APFT and given a plan to improve whatever area that they're lacking in. After counseling & adequate time to prepare for the APFT, then they should be able to pass an APFT. If I was the Company Commander, I'd personally want to supervise the Soldier that was struggling, and have the pass a diagnostic APFT before taking another record APFT. This protects the Soldier and the APFT program as a whole. So if they fail, they'll not be chaptered out. Then the Soldier retakes the APFT diagnostic, every month until they'll be sure they can pass a record APFT. That's how it should be done in my opinion.
The Soldier deserves the right to have time to prepare for the APFT and given a plan to improve whatever area that they're lacking in. After counseling & adequate time to prepare for the APFT, then they should be able to pass an APFT. If I was the Company Commander, I'd personally want to supervise the Soldier that was struggling, and have the pass a diagnostic APFT before taking another record APFT. This protects the Soldier and the APFT program as a whole. So if they fail, they'll not be chaptered out. Then the Soldier retakes the APFT diagnostic, every month until they'll be sure they can pass a record APFT. That's how it should be done in my opinion.
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