Posted on Mar 6, 2015
I've never heard of a court decision mandating a specific gender pronoun. What are your thoughts on this?
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I'm wondering why we're giving IT the attention...the POS should be left to do the time. As for having all of us pay for ITS treatments and such-that's complete BS, and the jacked thing is that someone who is free will have to come out of pocket for it-since IT is incarcerated we all have to pay.
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Why do we have court cases on this? We care about the feelings of criminals so much that we have to change laws now?
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
We have court cases on this because he's in custody. He requested an "accommodation" which was refused. He appealed it. It went to a Judge. Judge ruled in his favor.
Law didn't change, judge is acting in accordance with existing laws.
I know it sounds counter-intuitive, but we have to look at it from outside the Manning case.
Image you request an an accommodation, of what is normally a protected class (Gender, Religion, Medical etc). Since gender and Medical are both protected classes federally, the judge likely had his hands tied. They've diagnosed Manning with a mental disorder. They're treating him for that disorder, and giving him hormone treatment. The accommodation of being referred to in "gender neutral" terms or not as male is likely considered reasonable.
We don't care about his feelings. His feelings don't matter. His "argument" is either valid, or not, in accordance with the law. In this case, he made what could be considered a reasonable request "by the letter of the law." (or is not worth letting go to a higher court).
Law didn't change, judge is acting in accordance with existing laws.
I know it sounds counter-intuitive, but we have to look at it from outside the Manning case.
Image you request an an accommodation, of what is normally a protected class (Gender, Religion, Medical etc). Since gender and Medical are both protected classes federally, the judge likely had his hands tied. They've diagnosed Manning with a mental disorder. They're treating him for that disorder, and giving him hormone treatment. The accommodation of being referred to in "gender neutral" terms or not as male is likely considered reasonable.
We don't care about his feelings. His feelings don't matter. His "argument" is either valid, or not, in accordance with the law. In this case, he made what could be considered a reasonable request "by the letter of the law." (or is not worth letting go to a higher court).
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I think it's ridiculous. I don't believe he should have been permitted gender reconstruction surgery, either. He was convicted of a serious crime for which he was sentenced to 35 years in prison. If he wants to go under the knife to change his gender, he should have to wait till after his sentence has been served. He was sentenced as Bradley Edward Manning, not Chelsea Elizabeth Manning, and that's how he should be referred as. Prison is not supposed to be a place for getting wishes granted. Who is paying for this procedure, anyway? If the US Army is, something is terribly wrong. If taxpayers are paying, that is also wrong. His gender identity issues are not the concern of the Army, the DoD, Leavenworth, and taxpayers. He had gender identity issues prior to his service and self-identified as a homosexual. Given that he could not have afforded the operations before and during his military career, I sort of wonder if he isn't using the system to his advantage. Leavenworth, where Manning is incarcerated, is for male prisoners. Female prisoners are sent to the Naval Consolidated Brig in Miramar. If Manning gets to become a "woman" would he be transferred to Miramar? If Manning would not have gotten military approval to change his gender while serving, then he should definitely not have gotten approval while incarcerated. The military, when ordered to use either non gender specific and female pronouns should respond with, "If Prisoner Manning can tell us the date of LMP (common question for women at OB/GYN appointments), then we'd be more than happy to refer to Prisoner Manning in the feminine pronouns."
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