Posted on Mar 22, 2016
I'm curious if there are leaders out there that have genuine concerns about HOW to lead female Soldiers?
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I was a Military Police for 25 yrs. I had female leaders and led many female soldiers during my career. All soldiers are led the same, with respect. Training is equal, responsibility is equal, duties are equal. Absolutely no preferential treatment under any circumstances. Do that and your soldiers, peers and leaders will respect you for your fairness and leadership.
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In my experience, you lead the same, but are very aware of the differences. Not necessarily from my perspective, but the rest of the troops. Some females attempt to take advantage of the "lap doggs" that think by carrying her gear it will get them somewhere. As well as the males that may prey on the females and take advantage of them. I also never put myself in a position where my integrity was put into question. Meaning, I gave no special favors, took advantage, or was alone with a female where allegations could me made against me. From my point of view, I didn't care what you did or didn't have hangin', but could you do the job.
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Absolutely, some of us have not had the opportunity to work with females. It can be intimidating at first, but it all works out eventually. I had some great female Soldiers that eased my transition. This is a great topic, and a genuine concern from what I have seen.
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I give all my EO brief, in that I explain the difference of taking care of Soldiers and having favoritism on Soldiers. I emphasize on the pay schedule that all Soldiers regardless of sexual orientation fall under a grade and that grade is equal across the board. Therefor, I expect all assignments to have an equal distribution of SM under me. As long as you do the right thing, no one can ever slam you.
P.s. There is also no evidence that a female should shower every 3 days either. The vagina is a self cleaning body part, this I learned in RN school.
P.s. There is also no evidence that a female should shower every 3 days either. The vagina is a self cleaning body part, this I learned in RN school.
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None whatsoever, we're supposed to treat all of our subordinates the same and hold them to service standards. It's pretty cut and dry.
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MAJ (Join to see) - Actually I've counselled both male and female Marines regarding pregnancy. Albeit at different tomes during said pregnancy, but for the same reason; to ensure they understand DoD and Marine Corps policy regarding pregnancy/child birth. Granted I've only had to counsel one Marine who happened to be female on this subject.
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Cpt Megan Jantos, I'm not really sure anyone answered your question. I have been out of the Navy since 2001, but my experience then was the issues you brought up were not dealt with by male leaders, they all scurried off to look for a female officer or senior female enlisted to deal with the issue. As a Senior Chief, I was tasked with speaking to an Ensign about hygiene issues because there were no other female officers down range. I would insist the person's supervisor be present so they could deal with such issues in the future. They were amazed at my technique "You stink, take a shower, put on a clean uniform and report back here in 20 minutes, dismissed". Same thing I would say to a male, which was the point I was trying to get across, and it would be followed by a counselling session for the offending Sailor.
The issue of breastfeeding and the need to pump on duty is certainly a challenging one. You want to support a new mom but don't want to be seen as giving preferential treatment. The time needed is an invitation for workplace "unhappiness"; she just got back from at a minimum 6 weeks leave and now she gets 1 or 2 extra breaks a day, even worse if she feels entitled to them. I would check with her doctor and then have her split her chow break up into her pumping times.
I know this was a long-winded answer to your question, but I do think it is important, especially for female leaders, to not be seen as giving preferential treatment. We do need to treat our people the same on a day to day basis, but real life, even in the military, has a way of showing us the differences. In the Navy there used to be an old joke about men submitting a chit to get the afternoon off, the reason: 'my wife is getting pregnant this afternoon and I'd like to be there'! It always was approved.
The issue of breastfeeding and the need to pump on duty is certainly a challenging one. You want to support a new mom but don't want to be seen as giving preferential treatment. The time needed is an invitation for workplace "unhappiness"; she just got back from at a minimum 6 weeks leave and now she gets 1 or 2 extra breaks a day, even worse if she feels entitled to them. I would check with her doctor and then have her split her chow break up into her pumping times.
I know this was a long-winded answer to your question, but I do think it is important, especially for female leaders, to not be seen as giving preferential treatment. We do need to treat our people the same on a day to day basis, but real life, even in the military, has a way of showing us the differences. In the Navy there used to be an old joke about men submitting a chit to get the afternoon off, the reason: 'my wife is getting pregnant this afternoon and I'd like to be there'! It always was approved.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Bahaha thanks SCPO Penny Douphinett this is exactly the kind of experiences I want to bring into the open. I never thought someone would think pumping breast milk was "free time." Anyone who has had to do this knows better. Thanks for your insight!!
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SGT Allison Churchill
On the topic of extra "breaks," I had a master sergeant who told a few of us junior enlisteds that if we didn't smoke, we should feel free to go and take "fresh air breaks." I can't remember if he himself smoked or not, but the offer was appreciated.
I didn't have children while I was in the Army (or plan on having any now), but I do believe that helping women who want to be good mothers and good employees benefits everyone in the end.
I'm glad to see this discussion is going so well. Brava, Ma'am.
I didn't have children while I was in the Army (or plan on having any now), but I do believe that helping women who want to be good mothers and good employees benefits everyone in the end.
I'm glad to see this discussion is going so well. Brava, Ma'am.
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1LT William Clardy
I disagree, SSG (Join to see). Good leaders recognize that there are always differences between soldiers, so that they can bring out the best of each. Great leaders orchestrate those differences to meld those individuals into a coherent, indomitable team.
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1LT William Clardy
CPT L S, "coming back" has not been a true option any time this millennium. You should keep in mind that when I enlisted (after dropping out of college), you were almost certainly less than half-way through elementary school.
But aside from the usual conditions of overwork, excessive stress, and under-appreciation, I am doing okay. How about yourself?
But aside from the usual conditions of overwork, excessive stress, and under-appreciation, I am doing okay. How about yourself?
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I'm curious to know what the perception is that any NEW or different leadership technique is needed?
SOLDIER, male, female, other.... leading them is the same process, understand the individual, apply the appropriate leadership technique for the individual, task, supervise, inspect move on to next task.
Its the human your changing leadership technique for, not the gender.
Some males handle a quite correction with an immediate desire to change, improve do better. Some females need to be led to discovering a better way making it their own, some of both gender need some directive discussion and a second helping of negative reinforcement there is not gender leadership technique.
SOLDIER, male, female, other.... leading them is the same process, understand the individual, apply the appropriate leadership technique for the individual, task, supervise, inspect move on to next task.
Its the human your changing leadership technique for, not the gender.
Some males handle a quite correction with an immediate desire to change, improve do better. Some females need to be led to discovering a better way making it their own, some of both gender need some directive discussion and a second helping of negative reinforcement there is not gender leadership technique.
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As long as they do their jobs and don't try to sluf it off, their in the clear.
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I am a squad in a military police company and I have a squad of 12 male and female soldiers. There is no difference soldiers are soldiers regardless of gender. Just because a soldier is female doesn't mean you have to lead them differently in the end we are all the same
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MAJ (Join to see)
As an MP officer I totally agree that men and women should be treated equally. Still, some leaders (male and female) have a hard time addressing certain topics with women (I.e. Field hygiene, menstruation, pregnancy, sexual harassment etc.) I've also realized that most combat arms soldiers don't have the same experiences we have had in the MP corps which shocked me at first but made sense somewhat in the end. Now some feel like they can ask for fear of coming off as sexist. So I would like to be a source of support if they even want it.
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