Posted on Jun 1, 2015
How would you, as a leader, address a Service Member with gender identity issues?
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In light of the recent publicity of Ms. Caitlyn Jenner, you now have a Service Member under you who has been battling similar gender issues. Service Member confides in you, and would like to discuss what could be made available to them- note Chelsea Manning as well.
How would you handle this? Having a more open-minded view about a topic like this, I'm curious as to how the more conservative leaders would approach this.
How would you handle this? Having a more open-minded view about a topic like this, I'm curious as to how the more conservative leaders would approach this.
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Responses: 37
Here's a question, and it's just a question. Nothing more.
Transgenders want to serve in the military. I get that.
However, why would they subject themselves to all of the negative aspects that have already been mentioned? Until the policy changes, it is what it is and they are unable to follow that policy.
I did know a few transgendered Sailors when I was in, and while I can't say for certain what was going on in their brains, I do know that they were able to keep their private life private, do their job, and act appropriately at work. I.e., dressing as the gender they were assigned at birth.
When I found out they were transgendered I didn't feel any differently about them, and honestly had no idea they were until they told me.
Transgenders want to serve in the military. I get that.
However, why would they subject themselves to all of the negative aspects that have already been mentioned? Until the policy changes, it is what it is and they are unable to follow that policy.
I did know a few transgendered Sailors when I was in, and while I can't say for certain what was going on in their brains, I do know that they were able to keep their private life private, do their job, and act appropriately at work. I.e., dressing as the gender they were assigned at birth.
When I found out they were transgendered I didn't feel any differently about them, and honestly had no idea they were until they told me.
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It is the devils way of pulling them off their path that God has for them. The devil is a liar, and a good one at that. I know one who wanted to change their sex and when they finally started opening up to me, they started to tell me how they do not feel attractive. That their insecurities about their body has made them feel not ‘sexy’ and she wanted to be a male. Its an attack from the devil but you have to look at them with understanding. Be a friend to them and let them open up to you. Don’t shove things down their throat. Let them talk. Get a real picture of what is going on inside. There are insecurities and they have been there for a long time. The devil will lie to you and it has taken a long time of lies to get to this point. Don’t push them any further by not listening.
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I would be open-minded. Probably ask if they need anything and ensure that the personal choice will not become a issue in reference to job performance. Personally, if they are a hard worker and can achieve the mission I am good to go.
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By the time this person comes to you his/her internal conflicts will have caused his/her work to suffer. Lack of attention to duties may prompt you to call the person in for counseling because he/she works directly for you or has been referred in by an NCO directly supervising. That may be the catalyst for coming out. Personally my only issue is if the person feels able to perform his/her assigned duties. If the answer is affirmative then send him/her back to work under close supervision. An entry should be made of the revelation and resolution and the person's immediate supervisor should receive a note of the proceedings.
Should work issues persist the person should be called in and reminded of his previous commitment to not allow this issue affect his/her work. Another promise to do better should not be accepted and the person should be referred up to higher leadership along with all notes taken of the encounters.
As NCOs we have a responsibility to all our charges and our mission, We cannot allow one person to detract from those obligations.
Should work issues persist the person should be called in and reminded of his previous commitment to not allow this issue affect his/her work. Another promise to do better should not be accepted and the person should be referred up to higher leadership along with all notes taken of the encounters.
As NCOs we have a responsibility to all our charges and our mission, We cannot allow one person to detract from those obligations.
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I'm so sorry but when it comes to stuff like this I better not have someone or man in front of me telling me that they want to be a woman. Seriously, all the stuff that we go through just being a woman. I believe seriously that people like that needs attention and a great deal of it at a church or a special care facility who help people out with those types of disorders. Now, on a personal note I would not want to deploy with someone that are having identity issues, if you don't know what sex you are or want to be there could be other underlining issues going on with that person.
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SSgt (Join to see)
Have you seen Air Force SrA Logan Ireland's story? 'Transgender Troops: At War, in Love, and Fighting to Serve Openly' first released by The New York Times.
What would you tell him and his wife?
I know I would look him straight in the eye and ask him how his job was going. He's doing well? Great. Make sure he is in male standards and let him know that I'm here as his supervisor for him and defend him as I would any of my troops. No counselling needed.
Would you come to this troop and tell him and his wife otherwise?
http://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/ [login to see] 0527/transgender-at-war-and-in-love.html
What would you tell him and his wife?
I know I would look him straight in the eye and ask him how his job was going. He's doing well? Great. Make sure he is in male standards and let him know that I'm here as his supervisor for him and defend him as I would any of my troops. No counselling needed.
Would you come to this troop and tell him and his wife otherwise?
http://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/ [login to see] 0527/transgender-at-war-and-in-love.html
Video: Transgender, at War and in Love
This short documentary shares the challenges of a transgender military couple, who are banned from serving openly.
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Before answering you question I'd really like to weigh in on your response to your own question.
I hear or read people saying all to often, they are "open-minded", without actually understanding what that means. I am not saying you don't understand the use of the these words SSG McCarthy, but open mindedness does not mean accepting a particular liberal view on a topic (such as transgender, homosexuality, abortion and so on), it means having your own view and respecting all other views on the same topic, even those that oppose your own. By respecting the other view point and holding constructive conversation in regards, one exercises true open mindedness. All to often people try to use this term as a position or an end all to an argument ("your just not open minded"), no different then generalizing, assuming or using other non-logical statements to support an argument.
Now with that out of the way. If a SM came to me and told me they where suffering from gender identity I would direct them to see a mental health professional. Since gender identity issues is a disorder covered under mental health (http://www.ifge.org/302.85_Gender_Identity_Disorder_in_Adolescents_or_Adults), and since I am not a professional in that area, I would send them to someone who is.
I hear or read people saying all to often, they are "open-minded", without actually understanding what that means. I am not saying you don't understand the use of the these words SSG McCarthy, but open mindedness does not mean accepting a particular liberal view on a topic (such as transgender, homosexuality, abortion and so on), it means having your own view and respecting all other views on the same topic, even those that oppose your own. By respecting the other view point and holding constructive conversation in regards, one exercises true open mindedness. All to often people try to use this term as a position or an end all to an argument ("your just not open minded"), no different then generalizing, assuming or using other non-logical statements to support an argument.
Now with that out of the way. If a SM came to me and told me they where suffering from gender identity I would direct them to see a mental health professional. Since gender identity issues is a disorder covered under mental health (http://www.ifge.org/302.85_Gender_Identity_Disorder_in_Adolescents_or_Adults), and since I am not a professional in that area, I would send them to someone who is.
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SSG (Join to see)
I personally find humans very interesting, and their opinions on different subjects. In the military, we're almost taught to not have an opinion so I truly do appreciate those who do have one! Well, ones that can articulate it.
I've worked with men, and women, who truly do believe all homosexuals should be hung and made an example of. When they have a troop who happens to be homosexual, I've always found it interesting how they handle situations with that SM vs someone who isn't homosexual.
With it being 2015, and same sex marriage being legal within the states, I look at some of the more "traditional" people within our ranks- I'm not sure that's the right word to use- and how they're handling these situations. I'm interesting in hearing the "why" or "how did you come to that idea/view" etc...
I guess, I can just equate it with the old "adapt and overcome" but adapting isn't easy for some of is!
I've worked with men, and women, who truly do believe all homosexuals should be hung and made an example of. When they have a troop who happens to be homosexual, I've always found it interesting how they handle situations with that SM vs someone who isn't homosexual.
With it being 2015, and same sex marriage being legal within the states, I look at some of the more "traditional" people within our ranks- I'm not sure that's the right word to use- and how they're handling these situations. I'm interesting in hearing the "why" or "how did you come to that idea/view" etc...
I guess, I can just equate it with the old "adapt and overcome" but adapting isn't easy for some of is!
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SGT Kevin Brown
I personally am against Gay Marraige and believe that homosexuality is as wrong as pedophilia, both of which are a widespread part of not only America, but the rest of the world. When it comes to military duty though, my personal opinions mean nothing and though I am sickened by the political correctness virus that has infected our military, I am not about to turn my back on a fellow soldier, regardless of there rank or issue, just because there issue falls under the WTF catagory. To me your question wasn't a matter of whether or not I support their issue as an issue, but rather a what would I do if.
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I know I'm in the minority with this one because for me, personally I don't care! If your here to serve and you can do it in a professional manor I don't care which side your fly zips up! Now that being said I mean professional I will address you by rank i.e. Pvt, SGT, LT, doesn't matter what matters to me is the job. I know the guys in line units feel differently but if that's the case then a male with female gender issue shouldn't be assigned to a line unit. Not because of unit cohesion, but simply because their are no females in combat based infantry roles, period. So then that service member needs to change not only gender but their MOS, and if the position isn't available due to down sizing that's the risk they take,.. Ok now I'm jumping off this soap box and passing off the mike lol!
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LTC John Shaw
SGT Racie Hutchens I think you jumped off the soap box and DROPPED the Mike. This is a generational divide...
I am ill prepared for the new transgender Army, but I like your point on treating everyone the same based on the role/job function.
Where I get confused is the whole gender re-assignment stuff, my desire is to push the soldier into the medical lane and move away from the discussion.
I don't want to get into a soldiers personal business unless it impacts mission.
I am ill prepared for the new transgender Army, but I like your point on treating everyone the same based on the role/job function.
Where I get confused is the whole gender re-assignment stuff, my desire is to push the soldier into the medical lane and move away from the discussion.
I don't want to get into a soldiers personal business unless it impacts mission.
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SGT Racie Hutchens
In some ways, I guess I would have to agree with you there is a generational gap. Old (insert your branch of service here) v.s. New. However, it's not just in crazy high faluenting things like transgender soldiers. It's down to basics today's new recruit has never lived without a cellphone, computer, microwave and they have no concept of a twenty year pension. So we live in vast devidies that only Anger Mangement Training can fix,.. lol
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Remind the soldier that, at the moment, if they want gender-reassignment surgery that the military considers that grounds for dismissal from service. If they are being psychologically hampered by their current state, tell them to consider toughing it out to the end of their enlistment and using the money to save for their eventual transformation.
If they are not interested in the surgery, let them know that they are free to dress as the please and act as they please when off-duty, but that the usual standards of conduct apply and that there may be negative reaction from their peers. I wouldn't tolerate mistreatment of them because of any gender issue, but a rule enforced tomorrow morning is poor salve to a punch in the face the previous night.
I'd also ask if they felt this way before joining the military, and if so, what were their intentions in joining if they knew ahead of time?
If they are not interested in the surgery, let them know that they are free to dress as the please and act as they please when off-duty, but that the usual standards of conduct apply and that there may be negative reaction from their peers. I wouldn't tolerate mistreatment of them because of any gender issue, but a rule enforced tomorrow morning is poor salve to a punch in the face the previous night.
I'd also ask if they felt this way before joining the military, and if so, what were their intentions in joining if they knew ahead of time?
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