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I had just arrived at my first duty station when a week after inrpcessing we where sent of to JRTC In fort polk ...we did zero PT the entire time
When we had returned I was told I was taking um first APFT well I failed it and even know the grader marked it as a record my LT told me that he was going to make it a diagnostic because we had just returned and it was my first PT test
Well about a month later I had just gotten of profile for about 2 weeks and was told I was taking another one I failed my run by 11 seconds
I just signed (disagreed) on a counciling for recommendation for chapter ...how can I fight this???
When we had returned I was told I was taking um first APFT well I failed it and even know the grader marked it as a record my LT told me that he was going to make it a diagnostic because we had just returned and it was my first PT test
Well about a month later I had just gotten of profile for about 2 weeks and was told I was taking another one I failed my run by 11 seconds
I just signed (disagreed) on a counciling for recommendation for chapter ...how can I fight this???
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You can fight the APFT failure chapter, by passing your APFT consistently.
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You can always request to take an APFT. Even once your chapter paperwork is started you are still required to take an APFT until you ETS.
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SPC (Join to see) - They are required to start the paperwork, but you will have some time to improve before you are separated. If you pass you're good to go.
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Were you counseled on a 4856 after failing the first APFT that stated you had up to 90 days to retake an APFT? Were you counseled by the commander on a 4856 that you would be retaking an APFT and you agreed that you were ready to retake before the 90 days expired? If the answer is no to either of those questions, legal should tell commander it was conducted improperly.
Also, signing "I DISAGREE" does not really mean anything. It's like signing for a speeding ticket. You're still getting counseled. Only way that helps if it something needs to be investigated it will raise questions that could help you.
I suggest you get real serious about pt because as soon as legal tells the commander the APFTs were illegitimate you can bet you're doing an APFT.
Also, signing "I DISAGREE" does not really mean anything. It's like signing for a speeding ticket. You're still getting counseled. Only way that helps if it something needs to be investigated it will raise questions that could help you.
I suggest you get real serious about pt because as soon as legal tells the commander the APFTs were illegitimate you can bet you're doing an APFT.
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CPT Timothy Hernandez
Check the reg again, when I was in you had twice the length of the profile, up to 90 days, to train for a record APFT. So, in this case, he would have had four weeks to train for a record APFT, following the end of his profile.MSG (Join to see)
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CPT Timothy Hernandez Sorry, last unit had a policy letter or something that removed the rehab time, you are correct. Twice the length of profile, not to exceed 90 days. Not a real profile if it's only on the sick call slip though!
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MAJ Raymond Haynes
When at Ft. Polk you said that you did zero PT. Was that organized PT on the training schedule, or you just decided to do zero PT. What about your time off from duty, you could not PT then? I have a hard time with stories where solders claim to have failed the APFT because "my unit didn't PT". Physical fitness is a personal responsibility. The Army makes great effort in organizing PT training times and events but in the end it is up to the individual solder to decide if they are getting enough training to pass the APFT. If the answer is NO then it is there responsibility to augment the organized (or lack of) training with there personal program. The only way to get them off your back about the APFT is to pass the APFT record or not.
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MSG Johnathan Mathes
MAJ Raymond Haynes - agreed sir
just because your deployed doesn't mean you don't stay fit... Physical fitness is a personal responsibility as you said... perhaps less pizza and beer and take your non pt doing ass to the gym and get involved...also Pt in the mornings is not enough .. will never be enough .. if you want a decent score... and a passing one
just because your deployed doesn't mean you don't stay fit... Physical fitness is a personal responsibility as you said... perhaps less pizza and beer and take your non pt doing ass to the gym and get involved...also Pt in the mornings is not enough .. will never be enough .. if you want a decent score... and a passing one
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Were you given 90 days from your first failure to retake it? Also were you counseled after failing the first one? If you answer yes to both there is not much you can do as you would have known that you had a record coming up. Also failing a run by 11 seconds or 11 minutes is irrelevant as a fail is a fail.
When you fail your first APFT you are supposed to be counseled by the CDR and you have to take a second record APFT 90 days later unless you and your commander agree to take one sooner. If you fail it then you are to be recommended for chapter separation.
When you fail your first APFT you are supposed to be counseled by the CDR and you have to take a second record APFT 90 days later unless you and your commander agree to take one sooner. If you fail it then you are to be recommended for chapter separation.
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1SG Timothy Trewin
SPC (Join to see) Were you on a temp profile when you took a record APFT? If so it’s invalid. Now your temp profile should state when your APFT availability date is. If it’s after your 90 mark, a profile can’t be used as an excuse for a PT failure.
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CPT Timothy Hernandez
You will have an opportunity to seek legal counsel if they initiate chapter proceedings. If the counseling for your APFT was not done correctly legal will inform your commander and they will have to start the process over again.
Be prepared to retake the APFT as soon as the counseling has been done to standard. SPC (Join to see)
Be prepared to retake the APFT as soon as the counseling has been done to standard. SPC (Join to see)
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