Posted on Jan 13, 2016
How should the US respond to Iran detaining 10 US Sailors?
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Does the old statement "something is rotten in Denmark" amply here? You bet it does, just delete Denmark, and add Washington!!!
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The Navy crews were well armed. I saw many crew served weapons in the video that could have made quick work of the Iranian boats I saw. There was either other Iranian assets not visible, or the Navy was following some Rules Of Engagement (ROE) practice unique to their situation. If I was on board and was in International waters, and justified, we would NOT be boarded.
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They were small patrol boats. They probably made a few mistakes that placed them in that area and a much larger Iranian gun boat made them capitulate. My hypothesis only.
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1SG (Join to see) Just FYI, the navy personnel hates hearing them boats, they prefer ships.
Now, to answer your question, they were easily captured because apparently the media and the administration are so transparent and objective, that we can believe they simply got lost. I am sure that this answer will satisfy any curious mind...
Now, to answer your question, they were easily captured because apparently the media and the administration are so transparent and objective, that we can believe they simply got lost. I am sure that this answer will satisfy any curious mind...
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1SG (Join to see)
SSG (Join to see), even the Navy refers to these types of vessels as boats.
As for the rest, that is a topic for another day how it was handled politically.
I am interested in how this came to pass in the first place.
As for the rest, that is a topic for another day how it was handled politically.
I am interested in how this came to pass in the first place.
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CPO David Sharp
SSG, Definition; a Boat is a vessel which can be placed on a Ship, i.e., a Submarine is a Boat.
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...um, i don't know, because they ran outta gas?... :-/
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Because the didn't have John "swift boat" Kerry driving?
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CPO David Sharp
Kerry is so phony that anything coming from his mouth is the same as the substance emitted from the other orifice.
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Suspended Profile
Definitely a lot of questions around this. Also, will these 10 get POW medals, or the Green Table? Or Both?
CWO2 Eric Peterson
My bet is that Obama will do everything to make this go away quietly, like an unofficial gag order on all information pertaining to the incident and personnel involved. Every crew member will have to sign a non-disclosure agreement not to talk about it under penalty of law. Then something else in the news cycle will come along "squirrel" and we'll forget it every happened.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
CWO2 Eric Peterson - Well, he did arrange their release and the turnover of the ships, so I suppose you're right, he was pretty quick to resolve the situation..
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My thoughts on this with my limited knowledge on boat ops;
They had a plan before they left.
The boats were pre mission checked and the route was discussed prior to departure.
Weapons were mounted and all that but probably just clear and safe as far as ammunition who knows how much they had. But knowing the navy it was probably just one belt per CSW. The body armor looks like it's full of magazines but they probably were not all full.
ROE was discussed during the pre mission checks and briefing.
My guess and this is a wild ass stab they were transiting and were over taken by the Iranians who had more ammo and big ass guns. The OIC made the call that they couldn't outrun them and a gunfight was a losing proposition since they probably had limited ammunition. As far as comms they were probably out of range, had bad fill (if that's the case it should of been caught on pre mission check) or being jammed. I bet the Iranians know our TTPs, transit routes and security posture in that area better than we realize.
As far as the SERE angle maybe some have been and some haven't, but operating in those waters like they are they are at a high risk ( now proven) for capture and should of gone to the course. I bet the most any of those sailors got was NKO.
They had a plan before they left.
The boats were pre mission checked and the route was discussed prior to departure.
Weapons were mounted and all that but probably just clear and safe as far as ammunition who knows how much they had. But knowing the navy it was probably just one belt per CSW. The body armor looks like it's full of magazines but they probably were not all full.
ROE was discussed during the pre mission checks and briefing.
My guess and this is a wild ass stab they were transiting and were over taken by the Iranians who had more ammo and big ass guns. The OIC made the call that they couldn't outrun them and a gunfight was a losing proposition since they probably had limited ammunition. As far as comms they were probably out of range, had bad fill (if that's the case it should of been caught on pre mission check) or being jammed. I bet the Iranians know our TTPs, transit routes and security posture in that area better than we realize.
As far as the SERE angle maybe some have been and some haven't, but operating in those waters like they are they are at a high risk ( now proven) for capture and should of gone to the course. I bet the most any of those sailors got was NKO.
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MCPO Roger Collins
Lot of speculation, but it's apparent that you are much better informed than I am.
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This event is so strange! Why were these two boats left unprotected and with no support? First it was drone and now boats and again we do nothing. Another example of weak leadership!
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MCPO Roger Collins
There's plenty of protection available, but as with Benghazi, we were willing to risk these ten sailors rather than escalate the situation, IMO
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CPO David Sharp
This is a very frustrating issue with me. I don't know the orders given to the crews, nothing will ever be said but this continued B.S. from the Marine Barracks in Beirut, the Embassy in Iran, the debacle of the Iraqi removal of Troops, Benghazi and everything in between is sheer cowardliness in the face our our aggressors.
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