Posted on Nov 20, 2013
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Toxic Leadership! We all know that it exists within our ranks in the military....branch is immaterial.

What do we as Soldiers/Airmen/Sailors/Marines/Guardsmen/Reservists and Leaders do to combat this growing trend (which isn't a good one, BTW)???

How do you define AND identify a toxic leader???
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The Army is a breeding ground for toxic leaders.  Why you ask? I have read a lot and written a lot on this topic.  Here is why.  The Military is a results based organization.  Now lets look at a toxic leader, toxic leaders are focused on short term goals.  Senior leaders look across their formation and see the "Results" (short term goals) What they don't see is how they got the results.  I read a paper written by a LTC at the war college.  She defined twelve types of Toxic leadership.  But there are blends of the types.  Here is why the Army breeds this style of leadership.  Remember the Seniors only see the results.  Since they don't see the method used they reward or praise the leader for getting the job done.  Here is the worse part. New Soldiers or junior Soldiers who are still developing thier own leadership style see how their leader conducts business, sees the reward for doing business the toxic way, and figures that it is ok and models them self after the "successful" leader.  Since we move around frequently, it helps mask the toxic leader unlike in the civilian sector.  Which is why it's easier to detect because they typically stay in one job for years.  I don't mean to toot my own horn, but I won a writing award on this very subject.  If you like to read my paper, email me at [login to see] .mil .  I could elaborate more but you get the gist of it.  Now, one more point I will make.  Don't beat me up on this one, a study conducted on major military historical figures classified over 80 of them as toxic.  What would you say if maybe, this type of leadership is sometimes needed in the Army?  Like I said, don't kill me, hear me out.  I am on the fence with this.  What would the outcome of WWII had been if Patton wasn't toxic.  (Study said based on info, he was very toxic). Would we have been as successful in the European theater?  Think about what all he did, right or wrong.  Just something to think about.
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SGM, you made some great points there. I was brought up in the Army by nothing but toxic leaders; I very rarely was exposed to what I would call a "good leader". I always said to the new soldiers "there are two ways to go with these toxic leaders: you can do the hard thing and learn from them on how to NOT BE that toxic leader or you do the easy thing and learn from them on how to TURN INTO that toxic leader". I felt that I was tortured through two deployments by toxic leaders and I vowed to never be anything like them. 
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SGM, I think you are spot on, and unfortunately, many of the Senior Leadship never hear about the uncooth things those NCOS are doing, because in their eyes, hes getting the job done.  And even when it is brought to their attention, many of those toxic leaders are left in place because they believe its isolated, and maybe that Soldier just didnt like him.  Ive seen it with my own eyes and unfortunately its not something thats likely to change anytime in the near future.
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Very well said SGM. I would like to read that paper you wrote. Is it possible you the paper the LTC wrote in war college?
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SGT Philip Popa
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SGM, I am impressed and have to some extent agree. We can never be totally rid of toxic leadership. I just don't understand as the higher the rank structure goes the more excuses that are used to keep known cases of this. I am sure I have been accused of toxic leadership although it has been the farthest thing from my mind.
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A poor leader is a poor leader, I don't think that definition needs clarifying. Now a "toxic" leader is a poor leader whose actions or inactions cause residual effects throughout the unit. The poor leader to whom you can trace a lot of your woes. That's where the term "toxic leader" came from, it replies to the spreading effect, ie toxic. It's not a blanket term for any bad leader. It's for the poor leader whose dirtbaggery is spreading, causing residual effects throughout the unit.
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I have seen this in the National Guard. I don't think a lot of leaders do this on purpose. I have found that a lot of leaders don't know what they are really doing and then they don't know what right looks like. They simple roll with it. I also blame their leadership for letting them continue in such a fashion. I have learned much from being mentored. Mentoring soldiers has become a lost art in the army. I can't stand leaders that just think you will figure it out. That is why they often face challenges in their leadership. If you are in such a unit. BE THE CHANGE. I have had one PL that was not suitable for his position and would have been a disaster if he would have been in combat. To remedy this I choose to become a PL myself to lead soldiers. I knew what soldiers needed in leadership from being a NCO for about 8 years and now I am that officer that enables the NCOs and steps out of their way. I also challenge my NCOs to develop the next generation of leaders that are coming up. I always remind them that are great NCOs and I thank them but I also remind that they will not always be that squad leader or team leader. That SPC or PVT will be your legacy when you leave. 
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Sir,

You drive home a great point with your post, in regards to the toxic leadership point AND the mentorship point as well.

For as long as I have been in, I have seen my share of positive and negative leaders. I have seen many leaders not perform the duties assigned of them when it came to taking care of Soldiers. I've also seen many leaders get promoted and their mentality change....sort of a "I'm a SGT now, so you have to do everything I say without question" mentality. I could go on and on about everything I've seen but that'll take up too much time and isn't very conducive to the discussion. It is never easy to prove if someone is/isn't a toxic leader because that would require hard evidence (he say/she say, word of mouth, etc just won't fly in these situations).

As for mentorship, speaking personally on the subject I've never had a concrete mentor and having been in going on 10 years it bothers me that I don't have one. I know that I don't know everything and I am always looking to learn more but a little guidance from someone who's been doing this longer than me, whose been through the things I have and have made it in achieving their goals with sharing advice, wisdom and keeping me on my toes is something I can readily use for my career.
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2nd Lt. Rosa -  Leadership by the book sounds good,  but sometimes there are those moments when hard choices come along.   Ideally such and such is the course of action,  but up against the wall,  our limbic brain reacts and we act out.
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