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I have no idea who wrote this and I don't agree with it in its entirety, but it does provide grist for a conversation (or an argument - you decide)...
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Two or more sides disagree on who runs the country. And they can't settle the question through elections because they don't even agree that elections are how you decide who's in charge.
That's the basic issue here. Who decides who runs the country? When you hate each other but accept the election results, you have a country. When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war.
The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election. We all know that. But it's not the first time they've done this. The first time a Republican president was elected this century, they said he didn't really win. The Supreme Court gave him the election. There's a pattern here.
What do sure odds of the Democrats rejecting the next Republican president really mean? It means they don't accept the results of any election that they don't win. It means they don't believe that transfers of power in this country are determined by elections.
That's a civil war.
There's no shooting. At least not unless you count the attempt to kill a bunch of Republicans at a charity baseball game practice. But the Democrats have rejected our system of government.
This isn't dissent. It's not disagreement. You can hate the other party. You can think they're the worst thing that ever happened to the country. But then you work harder to win the next election. When you consistently reject the results of elections that you don't win, what you want is a dictatorship.
Your very own dictatorship.
The only legitimate exercise of power in this country, according to Democrats, is its own. Whenever Republicans exercise power, it's inherently illegitimate. The Democrats lost Congress. They lost the White House. So what did they do? They began trying to run the country through Federal judges and bureaucrats. Every time that a Federal judge issues an order saying that the President of the United States can't scratch his own back without his say so, that's the civil war.
Our system of government is based on the Constitution, but that's not the system that runs this country. The Democrat's system is that any part of government that it runs gets total and unlimited power over the country.
If the Democrats are in the White House, then the president can do anything. And I mean anything. He can have his own amnesty for illegal aliens. He can fine you for not having health insurance. His power is unlimited. He's a dictator.
But when Republicans get into the White House, suddenly the President can't do anything. He isn't even allowed to undo the illegal alien amnesty that his predecessor illegally invented. A Democrat in the White House has 'discretion' to completely decide every aspect of immigration policy. A Republican doesn't even have the 'discretion' to reverse him. That's how the game is played That's how our country is run. Sad but true, although the left hasn't yet won that particular fight.
When a Democrat is in the White House, states aren't even allowed to enforce immigration law. But when a Republican is in the White House, states can create their own immigration laws. Under Obama, a state wasn't allowed to go to the bathroom without asking permission. But under Trump, Jerry Brown can go around saying that California is an independent republic and sign treaties with other countries.
The Constitution has something to say about that.
Whether it's Federal or State, Executive, Legislative or Judiciary, the left moves power around to run the country. If it controls an institution, then that institution is suddenly the supreme power in the land. This is what I call a moving dictatorship.
Donald Trump has caused the Shadow Government to come out of hiding: Professional government is a guild. Like medieval guilds. You can't serve in if you're not a member. If you haven't been indoctrinated into its arcane rituals. If you aren't in the club. And Trump isn't in the club. He brought in a bunch of people who aren't in the club with him.
Now we're seeing what the pros do when amateurs try to walk in on them. They spy on them, they investigate them and they send them to jail. They use the tools of power to bring them down.
That's not a free country.
It's not a free country when FBI agents who support Hillary take out an 'insurance policy' against Trump winning the election. It's not a free country when Obama officials engage in massive unmasking of the opposition. It's not a free country when the media responds to the other guy winning by trying to ban the conservative media that supported him from social media. It's not a free country when all of the above collude together to overturn an election because the guy who wasn't supposed to win did.
Have no doubt, we're in a civil war between conservative volunteer government and a leftist Democrat professional government.
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Two or more sides disagree on who runs the country. And they can't settle the question through elections because they don't even agree that elections are how you decide who's in charge.
That's the basic issue here. Who decides who runs the country? When you hate each other but accept the election results, you have a country. When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war.
The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election. We all know that. But it's not the first time they've done this. The first time a Republican president was elected this century, they said he didn't really win. The Supreme Court gave him the election. There's a pattern here.
What do sure odds of the Democrats rejecting the next Republican president really mean? It means they don't accept the results of any election that they don't win. It means they don't believe that transfers of power in this country are determined by elections.
That's a civil war.
There's no shooting. At least not unless you count the attempt to kill a bunch of Republicans at a charity baseball game practice. But the Democrats have rejected our system of government.
This isn't dissent. It's not disagreement. You can hate the other party. You can think they're the worst thing that ever happened to the country. But then you work harder to win the next election. When you consistently reject the results of elections that you don't win, what you want is a dictatorship.
Your very own dictatorship.
The only legitimate exercise of power in this country, according to Democrats, is its own. Whenever Republicans exercise power, it's inherently illegitimate. The Democrats lost Congress. They lost the White House. So what did they do? They began trying to run the country through Federal judges and bureaucrats. Every time that a Federal judge issues an order saying that the President of the United States can't scratch his own back without his say so, that's the civil war.
Our system of government is based on the Constitution, but that's not the system that runs this country. The Democrat's system is that any part of government that it runs gets total and unlimited power over the country.
If the Democrats are in the White House, then the president can do anything. And I mean anything. He can have his own amnesty for illegal aliens. He can fine you for not having health insurance. His power is unlimited. He's a dictator.
But when Republicans get into the White House, suddenly the President can't do anything. He isn't even allowed to undo the illegal alien amnesty that his predecessor illegally invented. A Democrat in the White House has 'discretion' to completely decide every aspect of immigration policy. A Republican doesn't even have the 'discretion' to reverse him. That's how the game is played That's how our country is run. Sad but true, although the left hasn't yet won that particular fight.
When a Democrat is in the White House, states aren't even allowed to enforce immigration law. But when a Republican is in the White House, states can create their own immigration laws. Under Obama, a state wasn't allowed to go to the bathroom without asking permission. But under Trump, Jerry Brown can go around saying that California is an independent republic and sign treaties with other countries.
The Constitution has something to say about that.
Whether it's Federal or State, Executive, Legislative or Judiciary, the left moves power around to run the country. If it controls an institution, then that institution is suddenly the supreme power in the land. This is what I call a moving dictatorship.
Donald Trump has caused the Shadow Government to come out of hiding: Professional government is a guild. Like medieval guilds. You can't serve in if you're not a member. If you haven't been indoctrinated into its arcane rituals. If you aren't in the club. And Trump isn't in the club. He brought in a bunch of people who aren't in the club with him.
Now we're seeing what the pros do when amateurs try to walk in on them. They spy on them, they investigate them and they send them to jail. They use the tools of power to bring them down.
That's not a free country.
It's not a free country when FBI agents who support Hillary take out an 'insurance policy' against Trump winning the election. It's not a free country when Obama officials engage in massive unmasking of the opposition. It's not a free country when the media responds to the other guy winning by trying to ban the conservative media that supported him from social media. It's not a free country when all of the above collude together to overturn an election because the guy who wasn't supposed to win did.
Have no doubt, we're in a civil war between conservative volunteer government and a leftist Democrat professional government.
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The past several administrations have faced similar issues. I'd argue the first instance of it being this bad was during Obamas tenure when members of the opposition party came out on record and said their goal was to ensure nothing Obama wanted got passed. It's unfortunate but as long as they go through proper channels there is nothing illegal about it. I think both sides share equal blame and I'm really hoping voters snap out of their partisan love affair and start voting for candidates that represent their values. Neither Hillary nor Donald really represent values of their base, both are slimy but each side felt the need to pander to the extreme left/right instead of looking at candidates that were less extreme or open to compromise.
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MSG Charles Turner
SPC Willis,
I for one dont believe it is a much a LOVE Affair as a HATRED. I know I dont Love any politician. I dont even love many Military Personnel. I did RESPECT THE HELL out a quite a few. Not so many anymore. But that is a Right that Americans have. We dont have to like anyone BUT WE ALL SHOULD RESPECT EACH OTHER. However, Liars and Thieves.. well That is what I witness both in and out of "Boots". Others something different. i know of more that are willing to fight than not anymore. I wonder why that is?
~ole Sarge~
I for one dont believe it is a much a LOVE Affair as a HATRED. I know I dont Love any politician. I dont even love many Military Personnel. I did RESPECT THE HELL out a quite a few. Not so many anymore. But that is a Right that Americans have. We dont have to like anyone BUT WE ALL SHOULD RESPECT EACH OTHER. However, Liars and Thieves.. well That is what I witness both in and out of "Boots". Others something different. i know of more that are willing to fight than not anymore. I wonder why that is?
~ole Sarge~
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PO3 Donald Murphy
You're both correct. Neither party is republican or democrat anymore. And sadly, we allow it.
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I'm really surprised that a few certain individual upstarts haven't jumped on this and accused you of wearing a tinfoil hat.
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LT Brad McInnis
They have been kinda quiet the last few days.... maybe they are waiting for their talking points to come in the mail!
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Cat Kid
Wow! This is really a military oriented site?! That’s scary as so far every commenter has a wildly leftwing bias and a very poor fund of information.
Yikes! I hope it’s not representative of our country’s military!
Yikes! I hope it’s not representative of our country’s military!
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SSG (Join to see)
Cat Kid there are a few very outspoken ones on this site as there are everywhere. They’re not representative of the majority though. They’re just... talkative...
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The Republicans, the party of Lincoln traded places with the democrats.
The Democrats of today are the republicans of Lincoln's time
The Republicans of today are the Democrats of the times of Lincoln
The Democrats of today are the republicans of Lincoln's time
The Republicans of today are the Democrats of the times of Lincoln
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SFC Kenneth Hunnell
CPT Jack Durish How do you explain Ronald Reagan, at one time he was a Democrat.
Turned Republican and worked on un doing what roosevelt started
Turned Republican and worked on un doing what roosevelt started
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CPT Jack Durish
SFC Kenneth Hunnell - I too was a Democrat until JFK ran. Although I had no problem with his ideology, I had lots of problems with his criminal connections. When LBJ took over, I could never return to the Democratic Party. Thus, President Reagan's switch is perfectly understandable to me. We didn't leave the Democrats. They left us when they became the party of the progressive Left. Now, we were talking about Civil War. I have no idea what you're talking about when you say that President Reagan "worked on un doing [sic] what roosevelt [sic] started." Which President Roosevelt and what did he start?
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SFC Kenneth Hunnell
CPT Jack Durish programs to get the United states out of the depression. In short people's reliance on the government
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The poor put upon party that controls both houses of Congress and the presidency, having their president being investigated by another member of their own party all the while the author blames the opposition party.
Also I seem to recall a certain birther movement that the author must have slept through, an extremely obstructionist Congress for the last guy, who also by the way was taken to court and sometimes lost when he tried to get things done too. A very one sided readying of recent history that omits anything that would show this for what it is, red meat for those who are looking to hear what they already want to believe.
Also I seem to recall a certain birther movement that the author must have slept through, an extremely obstructionist Congress for the last guy, who also by the way was taken to court and sometimes lost when he tried to get things done too. A very one sided readying of recent history that omits anything that would show this for what it is, red meat for those who are looking to hear what they already want to believe.
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The thesis is incorrect. The Civil War was not about running the country. It was about wealth and propelling certain of the citizenry out of democracy and into an oligarchy. Free labor working the free land is the key to wealth, plain and simple. John Adams felt that slavery was morally repugnant, given the nation that he and the other founding fathers created. All men are created equal, yet you have men kidnapped, tortured, and forced into labor for the benefit of another. Everything they ran away from in England they recreated, using the percentage of melanin in the epidermis of the Africans as a way to dehumanize. Adams and others knew that this was a sin in the sight of God. But, as the late Peetey Greene said... “money talks, bull$#it walks...”
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When folks started finding ways AROUND ‘3 co-equal parts of government’... like activist judges... then you demonstrated we were no long a nation of laws.
When law is whatever you want it to be... then your government is illegitimate.
Everything else is merely play-acting
When law is whatever you want it to be... then your government is illegitimate.
Everything else is merely play-acting
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MSG Charles Turner
Or when branches of Government start doing what was NOT Intended for them to do as:
Judges Making Law
President Making Law
Judges ruling Politically and not impartially
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Judges Making Law
President Making Law
Judges ruling Politically and not impartially
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A civil war starts because of lack of compromise,weak ineffective leadership,and 2 different national ideologies.A civil war is averted when 1.all leaders compromise 4 the good of the nation not their own self interest2.a very efficient Government and smart Leaders taking care of its Citizens down to the weakest links.3.And a nation that puts its petty differences aside and sees the bigger picture of Global Society and a ideology of 1,United.
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When the government tries to take citizens rights, and those citizens decide to stand and fight. I.e What will happen if the government keeps trying gun control.
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PO3 Donald Murphy
You surely can't be talking of the democrats, who, despite the republi-fears and several horrible mass-shootings, made no attempts to take guns. Trump, on the other hand, belonging to the republi-gunlove party, is raising the age to buy guns to 21.
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SSG(P) (Join to see)
Yeah by definition we are the government, but I'm talking about the two-faced politicians. Because I don't care who gives me an order to disarm American citizens... I am not following that order.
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