Posted on May 14, 2015
Has CYA gone too far in the miltary? How can we change?
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Covering yourself is always a good practice in theory. However, in some regards such as the Leave Packet (POV inspection, Trips, Counseling...etc) has the military took CYA too far?
This also includes being afraid of too much risk in a garrison environment during training, for example: Not being able to conduct fuel operations with fuel for risk of fuel spill.
Please discuss!
This also includes being afraid of too much risk in a garrison environment during training, for example: Not being able to conduct fuel operations with fuel for risk of fuel spill.
Please discuss!
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Here's an example of the SAPR program going too far http://www.jqpublicblog.com/how-to-destroy-a-fellow-airman-in-four-words-the/
How to Destroy an Air Force Officer With Four Words: the Case of Maj. Michael Turpiano
When the systems and structures governing legal processes become too riddled with unwarranted and improper influence, legitimacy is jeopardized. U.S. v. Turpiano is case in point.
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In my honest opinion I do believe CYA has and hasn't gone too far it is all situation depending. I truly believe society has forced it upon us as now we have to worry about everyone's feelings and whether or not they are going to call some lawyer or IG or someone else. We baby our kids and put them in a bubble. Yes this is a generalization but it is true. When it is life or death i get it, but I have no sympathy for stupidity and if you are told not to do something, then it is you responsibility to live with the consequences if you do it.
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Good point,
That being said, is there justice in the UCMJ? As in, do you think the UCMJ system will identify and punish those playing stupid and identify those who honestly didn't know?
That being said, is there justice in the UCMJ? As in, do you think the UCMJ system will identify and punish those playing stupid and identify those who honestly didn't know?
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SSG Derek Scheller
Again that comes down to no sympathy for stupidity. We know the laws and we know what is morally right and wrong. I can relate this to the weekend safety briefs. We do this as a CYA, but truly should you need to be reminded not to drink and drive, not to beat your spouse and kids, not to do drugs? When things like this happen and soldiers come down on the police blotter, somehow it becomes the nco's fault that their soldier decided to be stupid. "Well did they get a safety brief?" It shouldn't be a question of whether or not they got a safety brief, nor whether or not that NCO was being a leader. Yet somehow in some units the NCO gets heat though not UCMJ action necessarily but still heat from the top because their soldier decided to be stupid.
Getting off topic but I think you get my point. Ignorance is no excuse for breaking any law. Nor is it an excuse for doing something that you know either looks or is unsafe.
Getting off topic but I think you get my point. Ignorance is no excuse for breaking any law. Nor is it an excuse for doing something that you know either looks or is unsafe.
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